Comparrison MSProtege vs. RSX type-S

[dmitrik4]

well, i don't think that the average driver (and that includes most of us) will be able to duplicate the times we see in most mags simply b/c those guys are better at it b/c they do it for a living. if you've ever read any articles (C&D and Automobile run them periodically) on how they test cars, you'll see that they certinaly do NOT run them soft.

i don't know about tritonheat's intelligence, but i certainly got frustrated arguing w/him when all the numbers (even the sources he posted) agreed with me, but i guess the word "turbo" makes a car unbeatable. whatever. you're not the only one who got a good chuckle out of that thread. there are people on every car forum who will swear their car is the sHizNiT BomBZ. :lol:

no worries. have a nice turkey day all.

 

[Daemos]

well, i don't think that the average driver (and that includes most of us) will be able to duplicate the times we see in most mags simply b/c those guys are better at it b/c they do it for a living. if you've ever read any articles (C&D and Automobile run them periodically) on how they test cars, you'll see that they certinaly do NOT run them soft.

i don't know about tritonheat's intelligence, but i certainly got frustrated arguing w/him when all the numbers (even the sources he posted) agreed with me, but i guess the word "turbo" makes a car unbeatable. whatever. you're not the only one who got a good chuckle out of that thread. there are people on every car forum who will swear their car is the sHizNiT BomBZ. :lol:

no worries. have a nice turkey day all.

hehe...I'm canadian, my thanksgiving was a month ago

Well...I'm learning to launch, and my friend when he switched his tires to the same stock tires as the MSP (Bridgestone RE040) He ran a 14.9 1/4 time with everything else stock.

he broke in his engine properly, he was a good manual driver he could powershift (or is the speed shifting) in any car...which is the qualifications to be a mag "professional driver".

He told me something important though, he said those magazine times are bull s***, the people don't even learn how to drive the car properly before letting em rip, you gotta learn how the car drives and how it does.

So by the times Tritonheat1 posted...the Spec V is faster...with the same tires easily, which means it is the faster car...but my friend spend countless hours practicing and practicing his launch, when he first got his car stock he was running 15.5 1/4 times because he was driving like he would any other car...then when he found the sweet lauching spots, and the sweet techniques for driving he got that down to a 15.2 (15.19) but I round off...he practiced some more, got new tires and ran a 14.9 as his best time....believe it or not...it's up to you.

Like I said the only reason they call them professional drivers is because they can drive stick, and they can drive stick very well...and they're very adapted to driving many diffrent cars, but not ONE car, so that means someone who drives this ONE car everyday, will be better at driving that ONE car than those professional drivers.

 

[dmitrik4]

He told me something important though, he said those magazine times are bull s***, the people don't even learn how to drive the car properly before letting em rip, you gotta learn how the car drives and how it does.

eh, maybe. i'm not saying that it's impossible to beat those times (esp in different weather conditions...mag times are usually adjusted to a set of standard conditions), but i would consider them relatively accurate -- much more than timing it yourself. testers usually will spend quite a while learing the best way to drive a certain car, and the best runs are usually averaged to produce a reliable result, not just listing the best run (which may or may not be a fluke...a certain Mazda running a "14.9 1/4 mile" comes to mind).

i would call them "professional writers," since writing is what they get paid to do. i never heard of the "powershifting qualification" and i don't know of any accepted testing method that employs that, even though it might acheive better times. i sure as hell wouldn't be powershifting my car.

 

[Daemos]

I guess I should change that to speed shifting...heh, I thought they ment the same thing, until someone told me it didn't...

 

[Newf]

Can't believe i'm going to add anything to this silly thread but...

He told me something important though, he said those magazine times are bull s***, the people don't even learn how to drive the car properly before letting em rip, you gotta learn how the car drives and how it does.

Then by this quote from yourself, the same arguement can be said about the MSP's times, and that the MSP could be a lot faster then what the mags are saying. Therefore, since nobody actually has the MSP yet, this arguement is mute.

All tests done on the MSP at this point are preproduction cars.....duh, because they are not even done yet.

Again, any times suggested by mags are not final....AGAIN, therefore this arguement is mute. After the MSP has been out for a while, and it's engine broke in properly as well, AND magazines test the FINAL version of it....only THEN can you guys have a pissing contest about who's faster. Wait until we get some time slips on final production cars from these "real drivers" your talking about, then argue about it.

Sorry, bad day, and this thread is getting out of hand.

 

[MMMatHeart]

Well, back to the original topic of this thread. I'm sorry to say that I've gone over to the dark side and picked up a Type S.

Picked it up yesterday, and have got that new car giddiness (shopping for snows, 3M paint protector, wheels, CAI, stereo, etc.). Fortunately, this is year 2, with more availability. With dickering, I got the price down close enough to the MSP.

If the dealer was willing to lower the MSP price, or the car came in 2 weeks ago, this would have been a different story.

I've enjoyed the last 5 months of waiting and exchanging with all of you, and will be visiting every now and then to see how things go. I still think that the MSP is a great car.

Good Luck!:'( :'(

 

[Newf]

That's a great car MMMatHeart. Enjoy it. I'm jealous, I wish I was having that new car giddiness right now.

 

[TedManEight]

FYI... I bought a brand new 2003 RSX Type-S as well. I really wanted to wait for the MSP but it took too long and my family and friends talked me out of it. So good luck with the MSP's guys ill be seeing you on the road. Please dont try to race me I dont really think I will be up for it. I got a good deal on it brought it down 200 over invoice for it. So anyway, its blue and is a hell of a ride. Bought it yesterday the 27th and have 150 miles on it already its a really sweet ride. I'm happy and I am sure any of you that end up doing the same won't be dissipointed either. Anyway, this is my last post. CYA!!!

 

[colin949]

man i swear no one take daemos seriouly anymore he has proved to us in numerous occasions that he doesn't know anything. He is just one depressed spec v owner that has to hang around the mazdaspeed board to feel better about himself. I've been thinking about him a'lot and i came to the conclusion he is still on here because the mazdaspeed is turbo, and he wishes he could have a turbo car, so he hangs around here with nothing else to do then to talk crap on the mazdaspeed. Daemos i am sorry if your not happy with the spec v we all told you that you should have waited, i think even if you do get a turbo someday aha, you won't be happy and you'll still come back here because you are obsessed with msps.

 

[colin949]

everyone go to mp3 forms and see the part where daemos didn't believe smp mp3 beat mustangs, then you see spoolin post what he beat, and daemos never posts back because everyone knows spoolin has the fastest mp3

 

[Daemos]

man i swear no one take daemos seriouly anymore he has proved to us in numerous occasions that he doesn't know anything. He is just one depressed spec v owner that has to hang around the mazdaspeed board to feel better about himself. I've been thinking about him a'lot and i came to the conclusion he is still on here because the mazdaspeed is turbo, and he wishes he could have a turbo car, so he hangs around here with nothing else to do then to talk crap on the mazdaspeed. Daemos i am sorry if your not happy with the spec v we all told you that you should have waited, i think even if you do get a turbo someday aha, you won't be happy and you'll still come back here because you are obsessed with msps.

right...and maybe you would of graduated highschool...I stay here because unlike you there are acctualy some decent people on this board...

yea...have fun trying to boost the MSP, with it's ECU locked...and it's bearly meeting emissions standards...hopefully that isn't an issue for you...

oh yea, did you hear, Nismo that's right Nismo is building a Turbo kit that will be around 3K put 250 to the wheels, for the spec v, and carry a extended 3 year drivetrain/engine warrenty.

no..
that's what I thought.

I never said I didn't believe spoolin. He may have the fastest mp3, but I don't think he could do 20 psi for a long time. even my friend laughed when I told him 20 psi, he's like what? for like 2 meters of driving? hahaha.

 

[dimic]

Well, back to the original topic of this thread. I'm sorry to say that I've gone over to the dark side and picked up a Type S.

Good Luck!:'( :'(

Hi MMMatHearth,

would you post how much discount did you get for RSX-S, or selling price? I am in the same boat as you were, and running some numbers, it seems to me that RSX-S may actually be cheaper to lease than MSP. At least In Canada... That is due to higher residual value of RSX-S, slightly better lease rate, and ability to negotiate discount...

Anyway, if I go with RSX-S, I'd like to have some reference from someone who just got it. You can send me private message, if you prefer...

Thx.

 

[colin949]

ok its done i believe you the spec v well be fast turbo 250 at the wheels i don't even care anymore

 

[dmitrik4]

ted man and mmmatt, congrats. have fun and be careful.

and don't blow your engines up!

 

[tritonheat1]

Boy................Daemos you seem like a little kid. I think the subject in school for you would have been (Stuck on Stupid). I have showed you numerous number's of the SpecV running the #'s that i have posted, but even though YOU can't post a time slip of this super duper SpecV running a 15.09sec 1/4mile at all. I think you need to go back to kindergarten and learn how to read and comprehend things. Hey i like the way you post, cause when you do, u seem to forget something ohh(scratch) wait"never mind(thought) it's your damm brain(huh). Let's see some time slips, huh. And for the Preproduction car that u are blabbering about, even if it is Mazda still got a 0-60time of 6.9sec and 1/4mile in 15.3sec@91mph. If your saying that the specV is faster than magazine times then so is the MS-P you Retard(doh) (stupid) (owned). And to you Mr. Dimitrik, I know everything about car's cause i owned one. If you want me to compare magazine to magazine then Go to www.modernracer.com and look at the specs of the Type-S and MS-P.


MS-P

0-60....6.5sec
1/4mile.15.0sec@93mph

Type-S

0-60.....6.7sec
1/4mile.15.2sec@92mph