I've been wondering if any company (or individual) is designing a cold air box or some sort of cold air ducting for short ram intakes such as the Cobb SRI? I think many people including myself would agree that the Cobb provides more air and more consistent MAF readings than any of the cold air intakes. However, the obvious problem is you are sucking in HOT air from the engine compartment. There must be a way to get the best of both worlds. The AutoExe comes close with their carbon fiber air box that is directed towards the front of the car. But I question how much cold air it actually brings in through a tiny opening where the hood closes and it is incredibly expensive.
Cold air for a Short Ram Intake?
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amilliems6
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ill answer this question in tunersteves way if you dont mind lol
do some research before posting.. but ill be less of a dick.
cpe-cai, ms6 cai, fujita cai, aem car, and so on.
you can find these products anywhere.
su, pg, corksport, cobb,rpm. etc
do some research before posting.. but ill be less of a dick.
cpe-cai, ms6 cai, fujita cai, aem car, and so on.
you can find these products anywhere.
su, pg, corksport, cobb,rpm. etc
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freekwonder
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For the MS6, you don't need cold air. That is what the intercooler is for. But like Amilleims6 said, do a search.
I don't think you read my post completely. I said the Cobb SRI seems to work better than any of the CAI systems.... obviously I know what a CAI is. I had a Mazdaspeed CAI for two years. It is not consistent with MAF readings and created a lot of turbulence especially after installing the CPE Nviscid turbo inlet pipe. This is a common problem with CAI systems and I think everyone will be seeing more of this issue since the Cobb TIP and CPE TIP pipes have just recently been released. I have not had any issues with the Cobb SRI. The power delivery is much more consistent. And yes obviously I know that the intercooler helps remove heat but I think any experienced turbo owners would agree that you are still much better off with colder air going into the intake. Heat soak happens much quicker when your ram intake is sucking in hot air from the engine compartment. My point was you could achieve the best of both worlds if you brought cool air to the Cobb SRI intake system similar to how AutoExe designed their ram intake by directly the air from the front of the car. By the way... thanks for being "less of a dick".
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Hey now, I don't try to be a dick, I just try to teach people the etiquitte of a forum. Search first, ask questions later.
I know autoexe cool air box is the only one that I know of available on the market, but its big money, and I don't think its worth it at all. If you're monitoring air with a DH or AP, what are your ambient temps and AFR's? That should tell you something more than just asking for the cool air box.
I'm running the MS CAI and Cobb TIP, and I'm seriously considering going to the Cobb SRI because of weather issues.
OK for example tonight it was 47 ambient outside temperature in St. Louis. Per my Dashhawk the IATs were around 100. With the old MS CAI they would have been around 65-70 degrees. Last weekend we had upper 70s, and my IATs were up around 120 degrees. With these higher IATs I don't notice any loss of power on the low end. Where I think you start to lose power is in the high end of the RPM band. I just wonder when it is 100 degrees ambient in the summer and my IATs are 150, what happens with heat soak and power delivery then? I'm pretty sure it won't be very nice. I've read several posts where people use CAIs in the summer and go back to Cobb SRI when it cools down. I just thought it would be great to come up with a way to deliver cooler air to the Cobb SRI by venting the hood or routing cooler air from the front of the car by some means.
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Ahh, that makes much more sense. Here in MI my ambient and IATs are almost identical with the MS CAI, and I even made a splash shield over the fender slats.
I'm actually thinking of doing the SRI/CAI swap too. The winters are kicking the s*** out of my filter already.
In essence, you could possibly funnel some of the air coming in for the TMIC to the intake, but I don't think the temp change is going to be huge. Your BATs are actually going to be more important even than the IATs, but they are obviously directly related. The colder the air you start with, the colder it stays.
For where you are located in Michigan, I would not even hesitate to switch over to the Cobb SRI. I think you will be happy with it and you won't have to deal with the dirty filter issue. When I removed my MS CAI, I couldn't believe how beat up my filter was. I even had the Injen pre-filter installed and it still was filthy as heck.
Regarding my issue... I may switch to back to the CAI in the worst of the high summer temps. At least the filter should stay clean that time of year. I still think there is an opportunity for someone to design a cold air box/duct for the Cobb SRI, CPe Nano or whatever hacked up SRI someone is running. I'd rather not divert any air from the TMIC because it needs all the help it can get already. I'm thinking of a way of routing air from the lower front of the car... similar to where a FMIC would be mounted.
Regarding my issue... I may switch to back to the CAI in the worst of the high summer temps. At least the filter should stay clean that time of year. I still think there is an opportunity for someone to design a cold air box/duct for the Cobb SRI, CPe Nano or whatever hacked up SRI someone is running. I'd rather not divert any air from the TMIC because it needs all the help it can get already. I'm thinking of a way of routing air from the lower front of the car... similar to where a FMIC would be mounted.
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You could consider cutting a 'slat' in your splash guard, and angling it down, as to scoop some cool air from outside the engine bay.
Do you have access to a thermocouple? Find a place in your engine bay and drive around for an hour or so and see what kind of temps it has. Might be a great way to find a good source of cool air to channel from.
cp-e or cobb are actually making a cold air box.. i think there are pictures of a mock up one floating around on the forum somewhere.. but i think its for the ms3 guys.. im getting ready for work but if no one posts pics of it by tongiht ill try and find it and post a link to the thread 
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cp-e or cobb are actually making a cold air box.. i think there are pictures of a mock up one floating around on the forum somewhere.. but i think its for the ms3 guys.. im getting ready for work but if no one posts pics of it by tongiht ill try and find it and post a link to the thread
I believe its CP-E making it for the MS3. Cobb has all their new designs on hold at the moment. The air box idea was scrapped.
whats the chances of cp-e making one for us too?
amilliems6
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sorry tuner steve just tried to be funny..
lol
and jeff ms6 my bad for not understand your question correctly...
lol
and jeff ms6 my bad for not understand your question correctly...
Thanks amilliems6, I appreciate your response. Ulitimately I'm just trying to make my MS6 as fast (and fun to drive) as possible and I do see an opportunity for improvement with the intake temperatures. I received a response from CPE stating that the MS CAI is known to cause problems with turbulence on the MAF sensor. The addition of a turbo inlet pipe only increases the problem. Switching to a SRI type intake is a logical solution. I bet you we will see something regarding a cold air box from CPE for the Nano in the near future. If it works for the Cobb SRI.. great.. otherwise I may switch to the Nano. By the way.. I have seen improved throttle response by switching the Cobb oiled filter to the Amsoil dry filter... more air flow and it looks much nicer and higher quality.
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I'm really starting to rethink my MS CAI at the moment. The SRI might just be a better option all around.
Yes please get rid of the MS CAI. My fuel trims are so much better now since I switched to Cobb. Also, no more violent hesitation at WOT. The MAF housing on that MS CAI is not fabricated correctly and has no air straightener which becomes even more important when you add a turbo inlet pipe. Try the Cobb SRI.
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Believe it or not, my LTFTs aren't bad. Well, at least by my observations.
At idle, it's at 8% or so, but under acceleration, mine are under 1%. I'm interested to see what would be considered 'good' for the car in general. I have considered switching, and might do it shortly, but I want to get the black intake to match the TIP.
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