Cobb AP Discussion Thread

$240 over at PG right now...

It's worth having the DH. Having both, the DH is much easier to follow than the AP. If you're not looking into a gauge pod setup, the DH is the most cost effective solution out there, and you can customize it yourself to suit whatever you want to monitor.
 
From experience, being able to watch my STFT, LTFT, and knock at the same time is great, especially right after installing a map.
 
Or an aeroforce scan gauge :). I love mine. Dashhawk is too hard to mount. Ive got my scan gauge right on the a pillar.
 
coyfish said:
Or an aeroforce scan gauge :). I love mine. Dashhawk is too hard to mount. Ive got my scan gauge right on the a pillar.
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You obviously haven't seen the Blendmount then...lots of different options to mount the DH that makes it easier than the Scangauge. It does offer a lot of functionality in a nice package too.
 
can i bring cobb ap to get pro-tuned?

Hey i was wondering once i put my 3071r in and cobb ap, if i can bring it to a pro-tuner? is the software out for it yet?
 
Cobb AP question- Stage2+SF 91?

So, I've purchased a Cobb AP and will be getting it tomorrow, and over the past several days have been searching and reading the forums to learn as much as I can about it (and about the MS6 in general), and to be sure I'm loading the proper map... but can't find an exact match. I think I'm stuck. Does anyone have advice? Or if I've missed a thread that nails my situation, please point me to it (though I think I've been pretty thorough?!)

Relevant mods are: 1) Cobb SF intake, 2) cp-e 3" downpipe (still stock cat-back. I've also put in the Iridium step-colder plugs and and Cobb TIP, though that shouldn't affect the map decision).

Only octane available is 92 at BP. So I have to disregard the 93 octane maps.

From these mods and what I've read on Cobb's site, I should be looking for a map description of: Stage2+SF 91. Unfortunately, there's not one available on Cobb's site. I've also checked Mzdspd.com, and the closest I could find there was Stage2 91 (but no Cobb SF intake noted).

So then... any advice on the map selection? Is Stage2 91 (without the SF notation) what I should use? They also have Stage2+SF 91 +FMIC... but then I'd have to break down and buy a FMIC.. which is tempting of course, but costly. I could always pony up the $175 for a custom e-tune from Christian at Cobb... but would like to use something out there if it's already available. Also, ATR is not currently an option for me since I'm not a tuner (though would like to learn more).

As a final question, does Stage 2 absolutely require a cat-back exhaust, or is the 3" downpipe+stock cat-back sufficient? I believe I've read that the catback is not necessary but will produce more gains over stock, though I'm not positive on that.

Thanks for any insight (or links to other threads here) anyone can provide!
 
from what i remember, a downpipe makes it stage 2 accessable. if there is no +sf option which i thought there was but maybe im wrong, you can get an etune from cobb, or switch back to the stock intake box and still make more % HP. over the stage 1+sf map. i could have sworn stage 2 had a +sf map.
 
Super Shredder said:
from what i remember, a downpipe makes it stage 2 accessable. if there is no +sf option which i thought there was but maybe im wrong, you can get an etune from cobb, or switch back to the stock intake box and still make more % HP. over the stage 1+sf map. i could have sworn stage 2 had a +sf map.
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Thanks for the reply- I checked again and unfortunately the only Stage 2 +SF I could find was for 93 octane (anyone live around Kansas City and know of a place that sells 93?). I may have to switch back to stock airbox until I can pull the trigger on a $1k+ FMIC then... rather put the $175 towards the cost of a FMIC rather than an e-tune, since I'll probably be getting one someday soon.

Anyone else have other thoughts?
 
ms6dj said:
Thanks for the reply- I checked again and unfortunately the only Stage 2 +SF I could find was for 93 octane (anyone live around Kansas City and know of a place that sells 93?). I may have to switch back to stock airbox until I can pull the trigger on a $1k+ FMIC then... rather put the $175 towards the cost of a FMIC rather than an e-tune, since I'll probably be getting one someday soon.

Anyone else have other thoughts?
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Before I spent the money on a FMIC, I'd definitely spend several weeks exploring KC to find 93 Octane. My dad's in the gas business on that side of Missouri. I'll see if I can find something to help you out. :)
 
Found on another forum:

- CITGO on Johnson Drive (about 3 blocks east of Metcalf) sells 100 octane at the pump. Another place on SW Boulevard sells higher octanes but I don't know the name. (possibly in Mission at Lamar and Johnson Drive)

- There is a BP in Exelsior Springs (North of Liberty) that is supposed to sell 93 octane.

I will have to get back to you with what my dad finds out. I'm also attempting to put together a map of 93-100 octane gas stations in the St. Louis area. I will do the same for KC since my sister and friends live there and I visit often.
 
What year is your car. I am going to assume its a 2008? There is a stage 2 SF intake for 91 octane map (Stage2+SF 91 Octane Stage2 for vehicles with a COBB Tuning SF Intake System and turboback exhaust with a catalytic converter. 91 Octane fuel.) You might have some boost creep issues with the catless exhaust, but you have stock catback so that might help you out a bit to prevent boost creep. There should be a map that works for your setup available.

Travis
COBB Tuning
 
Travis@COBB said:
What year is your car. I am going to assume its a 2008? There is a stage 2 SF intake for 91 octane map (Stage2+SF 91 Octane Stage2 for vehicles with a COBB Tuning SF Intake System and turboback exhaust with a catalytic converter. 91 Octane fuel.) You might have some boost creep issues with the catless exhaust, but you have stock catback so that might help you out a bit to prevent boost creep. There should be a map that works for your setup available.

Travis
COBB Tuning
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Hey Travis, thanks for the response, I appreciate it! It's a 2006 MS 6 actually; I see the Stage 2 +SF 91 on the 2007+ speed 3 maps on your site, was that what you're referring to in your reply? I'm assuming I should only use ones you guys have listed for the 2006 MS, so it looks like I'm still out of luck there... are there any plans to release a map for the 2006 MS6 with the same configuration? I've got a DP w/ high-flow cat hooked to the stock catback, so hopefully there won't be any trouble with major boost creep (but I'll keep my eyes on the psi). If there's not a map like that on the horizon for '06 MS6, do you have any recommendations on what map/setup would be best to run? (super shredder suggested going back to stock intake and going stage2 91 w/o SF intake)

To BlenderCloud, thanks for the tips- I called up the Citgo you referred to and the guy said they weren't selling 100 octane anymore :( Not even selling gasoline of any kind any longer, for that matter, I think they're a repair shop now or something. A map of the KC area showing 93 octane stations would be awesome. If you hear anything more about stations carrying it, I'd totally appreciate a PM if you could spare the time! I'll check around with some more of my friends and see if they know any places.. and if I find any I'll be sure to let you know.
 
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If I'm able to put something comprehensive together, I'll ask Steve to sticky it to encourage people in other cities to do the same thing.
 
I wouldn't think you'd be able to take advantage of 100 octane unless you swapped pistons out for a higher compression and/or were running 19 or more psi of boost.

Granted, this is my first turbo car, so correct me if I'm wrong.
 
Blendercloud said:
I wouldn't think you'd be able to take advantage of 100 octane unless you swapped pistons out for a higher compression and/or were running 19 or more psi of boost.

Granted, this is my first turbo car, so correct me if I'm wrong.
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I think that's right- to take advantage of the 100 octane, the car would have to be tuned for it (which I believe means pushing the engine a little further because of decreased risk of pre-detonation and kr w/100).. but before it could be tuned to that increased level the car would run into other restrictions like, as you mentioned, the stock internals not being able to take more punishment without going snap crackle pop.

Travis, if you by chance take another glance at this thread, just want to make sure you didn't miss my followup question above regarding the AP map (found the map for MS3 but not for my '06 MS6)! Thanks :)
 
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