cobb access port question

[sleeper3]

OH GOD PLEASE LET THEM GET TO OUR CARS


and in that video, that guy is full of crap. the difference in power potential between gas and diesel motors is mostly due to the fact that they can crank the turbo in the diesel so far up it's obscene. they run like 12:1 compression and 30 lbs of boost. we can't do that. but on a turbo car, we have a lot of potential too. on the stock system I don't see why we can't expect around 30 hp with the right setup. 30 safe hp.

 

[dkswim]

that small HP gain is on an awd mustang dyno @ 4,000 feet so it should come up if they were to come down to see level and dyno on a dynojet. the gains they claim are also more meaty then most others out there. cobb is claiming a economy increse which should be nice as well and i get to run the 93 which might add a little more power.

 

[AutoXRacer]

Cobb doesn't have any competition right now...so they are free to charge whatever they want and people will buy it since there is no other option; regarding reflashes that is...

Superchips will be working on our cars, but I wouldn't hold my breathe for it...they said they are currently working on the CX7 then the Mazda3 before they get to our MS3s.... (lame)

Anyway, I'm waiting to see real world results on this AP...it's been hyped up waaaaaaay too much...

 

[sleeper3]

that small HP gain is on an awd mustang dyno @ 4,000 feet so it should come up if they were to come down to see level and dyno on a dynojet. the gains they claim are also more meaty then most others out there. cobb is claiming a economy increse which should be nice as well and i get to run the 93 which might add a little more power.

dynojets register (on average) about 30% higher than mustang dynos. so we get 13 hp on a dynojet. neat.

 

[sleeper3]

Cobb doesn't have any competition right now...so they are free to charge whatever they want and people will buy it since there is no other option; regarding reflashes that is...

Superchips will be working on our cars, but I wouldn't hold my breathe for it...they said they are currently working on the CX7 then the Mazda3 before they get to our MS3s.... (lame)

Anyway, I'm waiting to see real world results on this AP...it's been hyped up waaaaaaay too much...

I am anxious too.

superchips might be a very valid alternative. like I said, they've been making reflashes for years and have them for MANY different models. as long as it offers a tuning option, I will be getting a superchip.

 

[Shane5425]

Well, cobb has released stage 1 initial results.. remember they are 6000 feet above sea level and will be dynoing again in San Diego.
Without further delay here are INITIAL dyno graphs. I have to add the disclaimer that these may not be final. Our tuners are working to get more power from Stage 2. Also, these results are from our dyno which reads lower than most and is also handicapped by altitude. The turbo on the MS3 is not large, so it falls off on the top end, and that is even worse at altitude. Keep in mind the entire power band, not just the peaks.

Here are the notes from our head tuner:

“This dyno graph has been generated on our AWD Chassis dyno while running the car in AWD mode. We must do this so the traction control system does not take over and re-tune the car. We have spent extensive time trying to smooth out the throttle control, boost control, and torque control systems so this car is more enjoyable to drive. This makes the car easier to drive at part throttle conditions, allows for much smoother part throttle control, and the vehicle acts less like an on/off switch. By doing this we have significantly increased the gas mileage of the vehicle as well with our Stage1 and Stage2 calibrations.

The peak power numbers for these graphs are as follows:
Stock = 247 ft. lb. TQ / 212 WHP
Stage1 + SF = 267 ft. lb. TQ / 222 WHP (20 WTQ, +10WHP)
Stage2 + SF Intake = 279 ft. lb. TQ / 232 WHP” (32WTQ, +20 WHP)

 

[Shane5425]

all the TRq comes in 500 rpms earlier and 20+ more of it.. amazing.. they will release more dynos at sea level next week.

This is exactly what josh said "Everyone, keep in mind that as I said, these are INITIAL RESULTS. Things may change within the next week before release. You wanted what we have at the moment, so there you have it. Results may stay the same, or they may get better. But we are limited by physics (turbo running out) and what we feel is reliable. We have NEVER won the power battle, but we have ALWAYS won the battle of the most cars still on the road. "

its getting close !!!!

 

[sleeper3]

another battle that they win is most expensive equipment.

I'm just saying that $700 for 10 hp and 20 tq is gay. I can bump psi by 1 and get almost the same thing. with a reflash, psi should be 3 pounds more and the mixture should be leaned a bit. we should see a 30-40 hp increase, not 10.

 

[numbnuts22715]

Cobb isnt about peak power. Can you boost xontroller make around 50 more wheel torque 500 rpms sooner?!?
I'm happy with the results

 

[sleeper3]

Cobb isnt about peak power. Can you boost xontroller make around 50 more wheel torque 500 rpms sooner?!?
I'm happy with the results

I don't think my revs dip below 3500 on the track... who cares.

I'm guessing at that number, but seriously, I don't need 50 extra ft lbs at 2500 rpm. I would take 50 accross the whole rpm band though.

 

[sleeper3]

I wish everyone wasn't in line to bend over for this thing. I want to hear honest reports of what it does for people's cars after they're on. I don't think I am going to see that here.

 

[frito]

Keep in mind that the AP is just a tool. I have one on my Subaru now. It also comes with maps that are safe and better performing than stock. Additionally, tuners will be able to tune your car on a dyno and make a map for you that the AP can use. I am not sure what the initial one will have but they are always upgrading the ROM and adding features for the Subaru one that I have. I really like mine and will buy it for my MS3. Stage1 on my Subaru was modest in power gains but very a large improvement. There words about drivability etc are not just a cop out.

 

[Je5ter]

So their Short ram intake actually gives more HP (11 as they claim) than this...... Weak sauce.

 

[Shane5425]

I will be getting it, not when it comes out though, i want to see it dynoed by some users at sea level and over multiple cars..

 

[Shane5425]

i think it will also be a better tool once we can make our own maps..

 

[Aaron@JSC]

Keep in mind that the AP is just a tool. I have one on my Subaru now. It also comes with maps that are safe and better performing than stock. Additionally, tuners will be able to tune your car on a dyno and make a map for you that the AP can use. I am not sure what the initial one will have but they are always upgrading the ROM and adding features for the Subaru one that I have. I really like mine and will buy it for my MS3. Stage1 on my Subaru was modest in power gains but very a large improvement. There words about drivability etc are not just a cop out.

+1 the accessport is meant to be a tuning tool that has the ability to 'grow' as you mod your car and is completely custom tunable. It is essentially a complete engine management system. Find me another engine managment system on the market for $695

if you are planning on purchasing an accessport and flashing your stock car once, i agree the price isnt worth it. If you are planning on doing an I/E/H, FMIC, Garrett Turbo, Meth/Water injection etc... $695 is a good deal for a complete tuning tool.

Keep in mind that the people with Subarus commonly see 15-20 more whp and torque when they get custom tuned as opposed to tuned with Cobb's off the shelf map with the same modifications. Cobb has to build the re-flash maps with a little leeway to make sure its safe on all MS3s

 

[Shane5425]

+1 the accessport is meant to be a tuning tool that has the ability to 'grow' as you mod your car and is completely custom tunable. It is essentially a complete engine management system. Find me another engine managment system on the market for $695

if you are planning on purchasing an accessport and flashing your stock car once, i agree the price isnt worth it. If you are planning on doing an I/E/H, FMIC, Garrett Turbo, Meth/Water injection etc... $695 is a good deal for a complete tuning tool.

Keep in mind that the people with Subarus commonly see 15-20 more whp and torque when they get custom tuned as opposed to tuned with Cobb's off the shelf map with the same modifications. Cobb has to build the re-flash maps with a little leeway to make sure its safe on all MS3s

agreed but we can't custom tune till later this year..

 

[AutoXRacer]

I really like the part about:

"this makes the car easier to drive at part throttle conditions, allows for much smoother part throttle control, and the vehicle acts less like an on/off switch."

I find it hard to part throttle this car at autocross events...

 

[Aaron@JSC]

agreed but we can't custom tune till later this year..

a very good point-- something to consider before pulling the trigger for sure.

 

[numbnuts22715]

I'll give an honest review when I get it, trust me. I just don't see why everyone keeps knocking on Cobb ive seen what the ap can do for other cars. Its an extremely nice tool and even if gains arent great it'll be even more worth it when the tuning software comes out. I don't like piggy backs I just don't think theyrr right judging by how badly theyve worked on a few friends cars. Thats my personal opinion though