You sir... are a fool. Check your stats.... Your ad hominem attack about the BMW means nothing... Yes... Camry's and Honda's will beat us! They cost more... I can accept that. Why can't you? (Notice the Camry tied on 0-60 and beating us on the 1/4) STOCK vs. STOCK
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...0_to_25_000_feature/2007_mazdaspeed_3_feature
Actually... I wish it did solve the debate but it doesn't. Mostly.. (and correct me if I am wrong) this is about pure "stats". 0-60, 1/4 mile, 0-100. The track racing is actually more important, but unfortunately not the discussion at hand...
Dude (MS3077)... your response is pathetic. You disregard data from the magazine only when it is convenient for you. If you use C/D data consistently... You have no grounds to stand on. (Including the 330 performance package!) You defend this car to much sir. (a.k.a., "I think the lady protests too much") You really should just get over the the fact that their are dozens of cars that kick our butts 0-60. Just add the Cobalt to the list of a few in the same price range.
i know what this thread is missing.
srt4 is fastar
I just think maybe you need to learn how to drive the car.
+1
Exactly!! The car does not drive itself and no two drivers are equal. Like a member said awhile back "driving is like having sex, some people are good at it and others just suck". However I will say it's easier to get consistent numbers in an automatic so beating that new Accord or Camry will require some good quick shifting.
i didn't realize it was under attackYou know I'm getting a little tired of defending my car...
i didn't realize it was under attack
i'm just going to put it out there...
anyone who is driving a stock MS3 and loses to a 268bhp automatic 25k pound car in the quarter mile, should probably take driving lessons.
it IS a drivers race but you'd have to be a really poor driver to lose to most of the cars in our price range.
our very own "DRIVER" ran a 13.7 bone stock in his MS3. a camry will NEVER run a 13 second quarter mile stock.
all drivers being equal:
MS3 > cobalt SS, VW GTI, Civic SI, RSX-S, Camry (wtf?), srt-4 (haha, jk).
also, i'd like to add that i'm not on any sort of "high horse" and i think all of the cars listed are awesome.
i do the flat foot no shift deal, with no problems. actually, to me, the car drives much better when going no-lift shifts under WOT.
props to chevy for actually promoting it
i didn't see that. i saw people reporting on another car's capabilities and immediately it went to needing to justify that the MS3 is better because of xyz. be happy with what you drive whether it's the best thing since sliced bread or not. it's yours either way, love it and let everyone else do and say what they wantNot really under attack, it's just some people want to undermine its performance capabilities for some odd reason.
i didn't see that. i saw people reporting on another car's capabilities and immediately it went to needing to justify that the MS3 is better because of xyz. be happy with what you drive whether it's the best thing since sliced bread or not. it's yours either way, love it and let everyone else do and say what they want