Check Engine Light On

racerchick

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2002 Mazda P5
so, I took my car to a mechanic today and he says that a sensor in my cold air intake is the reason for my check engine light being on. i don't know if this is for real or not. do you think it could be my maf sensor? what do you think it is?
 
check engine code.. when the light is on, you put a code reader into the OBD port to find out why the car is throwing the CEL..
 
Yeah, it's most likely your MAF sensor. But if you said the car is running okay (usually a bad MAF sensor will make it run bad), it could also be your IAT (intake air temp.) sensor.
 
just be careful, i dont know much about proteges, but my ms3 didnt run that bad when the maf crapped out. CEL came on and when i started monitoring my afr's were in the 16's. the cel was from the lean condition.
 
yeah it was air temp sensor. I got it fixed and picked it up on thursday. The engine light just came on again this morning. It's pretty frustrating, but I don't know what else it could be...
 
if it wasn't actually fixed. take it back to the shop, they'll have to fix it.

also, as mentioned. if you get a code, maybe we can help better.
 
if it wasn't actually fixed. take it back to the shop, they'll have to fix it.

also, as mentioned. if you get a code, maybe we can help better.

+1. There's no reason the shop shouldn't give you the associated CEL code, and there's no reason why you should have to pay another cent for them to fix a problem that they misdiagnosed.
 
Alright, I finally took my car back to the shop to have them diagnose the CEL problem. They gave me the code. It's P0424, which is related to my catalytic converter. It's alot of money for me to fix that right now, and my car is past 80,000 miles so my warrenty with the manufacturer is out...that's what I've been told. Have you guys had this problem?? My only concern is that the problem was "supposedly" diagnosed and repaired the first time, but it obivously wasn't the problem in the first place. So how do I know after the second time that this is really the problem now for the CEL? If you have any advice or sources that will help please let me know! Thanks so much!!
 
agreed. if it is the 02 sensor, i'd try to replace it yourself. it's really easy.. and same with the cat. but before i go wasting hundreds of dollars on a new cat, i'd just go to a muffler shop and have them weld in a new pipe/cat.
 
Alright, I finally took my car back to the shop to have them diagnose the CEL problem. They gave me the code. It's P0424, which is related to my catalytic converter. It's alot of money for me to fix that right now, and my car is past 80,000 miles so my warrenty with the manufacturer is out...that's what I've been told. Have you guys had this problem?? My only concern is that the problem was "supposedly" diagnosed and repaired the first time, but it obivously wasn't the problem in the first place. So how do I know after the second time that this is really the problem now for the CEL? If you have any advice or sources that will help please let me know! Thanks so much!!

Go to another shop. First of all, they should've told you that the code is P0421 - warmup catalyst efficiency below threshold. P0424 isn't a valid code on the Protege5s. That said, it seems as if this is a fairly common problem on higher mileage Protege5s, and 95 times out of 100, the problem is that the catalytic converter near the exhaust manifold has either worn out, or been "killed" by a misfire resulting from neglected spark plugs or bad ignition coils.

It's true that the cat is covered by federal law for 8 years or 80k miles, whichever occurs first. What has me concerned is that fact that your mechanic told you that the initial problem was an intake sensor. This tells me that he either doesn't know what he's doing, or there actually is a problem with one of your intake sensors that is somehow messing up your car, and perhaps contributed to your catalytic converter failure.

Whoever you take the car to, make sure that they figure out if something else caused your cat to fail, or if there's another CEL code. Also, how much are they charging you to repair it? If they are using an OEM cat from Mazda, I would let them know that Walker exhaust makes an aftermarket cat (Part No. 16220) that is about 1/2 the price. Many shops user Walker exhaust parts anyway, so this may be a way for you to save some money.
 
agreed. if it is the 02 sensor, i'd try to replace it yourself. it's really easy.. and same with the cat. but before i go wasting hundreds of dollars on a new cat, i'd just go to a muffler shop and have them weld in a new pipe/cat.

How many times have you heard of the P0421 code being caused by a bad O2 sensor? While I'll admit that it is a theoretical cause of the issue, every person that I've known with this problem has replaced the O2 sensor, only to have to dump money on a new cat anyways.

I say if the sensor wiring's not visibly damaged, 90% of the time it's gonna be the cat.
 
Go to another shop. First of all, they should've told you that the code is P0421 - warmup catalyst efficiency below threshold. P0424 isn't a valid code on the Protege5s. That said, it seems as if this is a fairly common problem on higher mileage Protege5s, and 95 times out of 100, the problem is that the catalytic converter near the exhaust manifold has either worn out, or been "killed" by a misfire resulting from neglected spark plugs or bad ignition coils.

It's true that the cat is covered by federal law for 8 years or 80k miles, whichever occurs first. What has me concerned is that fact that your mechanic told you that the initial problem was an intake sensor. This tells me that he either doesn't know what he's doing, or there actually is a problem with one of your intake sensors that is somehow messing up your car, and perhaps contributed to your catalytic converter failure.

Whoever you take the car to, make sure that they figure out if something else caused your cat to fail, or if there's another CEL code. Also, how much are they charging you to repair it? If they are using an OEM cat from Mazda, I would let them know that Walker exhaust makes an aftermarket cat (Part No. 16220) that is about 1/2 the price. Many shops user Walker exhaust parts anyway, so this may be a way for you to save some money.

That makes a hell of alot more sense...my brothers got real pissed when I told them how much the shop was going to charge me for replacing the cat + labor. He told me $800 for the cat alone, and with labor would bring it out to about $1,100. FREAKIN ridiculous! If my brothers, and you guys, are right about getting it way cheaper then I'm better off finding another way. I don't have that kind of money anyway.

To be honest with you, I really didn't feel right about what that guy was telling me in the first place. Just because I'm a woman doesn't mean I'll pay anything because I don't know anything. Damnit I'm not THAT stupid! Well, anyways, thanks for the advice!! :)
 
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Lol jk but glad that the members here were able to help you in making the right decision and not going along with that crackpot's assumptions. Good luck with the car!
 
not sure what exhaust shop or shop you went with, but most shops have well over a 200% markup... i know this because i used to work at Merchants tire in westminster maryland..(which is a tire kingdom store)..

anyways..

your best bet is to go to advance auto, napa auto parts, auto zone...etc.. one of those kinds of places, and order the part. and put it on yourself. or have your brothers do it!:) good luck!
 
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My advice. Spend some of that money installing a catback exhaust with a cat delete. Then take it out of your county to be inspected as the Houston area will check your emmissions.
 
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