Car Stereo

[QBA]

Hi

Guys I want to get a mp3 stereo for my car, what should I go for? I'm willing to spend around 400 $


thanks

Alex

 

[LazerBlueP5]

I went with the Kenwood Exelon KDC-X859, and I love it. You can even change the display and buttons so they glow red to match the interior. It's a regular cd/reciver in addition to an MP3 player. It's great to be able to fit over 10 CDs on one disc!...gotta love it The only downside is it's a bit over $400, it's $475 if my memory serves me correctly.

Oh and about your signature, interesting stuff man- we have to have a talk. Although I must warn you in advance I'm a Christian and have reasons for believing otherwise Wow, talk about OFF subject.

 

[QBA]

Thanks LazerBlueP5

I will check out the Kenwood Exelon KDC-X859

And about my signautre I'm open for debate. I want to belive but you have to give me something better than a old book (Bibble) that doesn't even admit the existense of the Dinosaurs and we have found alot of those bones.

According to the Bible the earth is approximately 10,000 years old wich disagrees with modern scientific evidence that shows that Dinosaurs appeared on Earth nearly 250 Million years ago, early in a period called Triassic.

Thanks Again

Alex

 

[1sty]

Also may want to check out the Alpine CDA-7894, Alpines, "First in the line" MP3 compadable headunit, and if your running the system off the headunit only then it will help to know that this deck has the most powerful internal amp available in a head unit. Also it has time correction to compensate for speaker type and location in the car. Its pretty damn cool to be able to dial in the sound stage. ALso it has 3 position 12db per octive crossovers even on the speaker outputs if memory serves. This way you don't need an external amps crossover to protect the mids and tweeters from bass distortion (this might only be on pre-outs though which are all 4 volts). ANother nice thing is Alpine uses XM satelight radio, wheres Sirus, the other Sat. radio company, is very financialy unstable right now.

$399 Retail!

Talk about god and what not all you like as long as audio or sound is worked in there somewhere.

By the way, God loves you, Jesus thinks your an asshole!
I love that one.

Seriously though. A gods existance is somewhat irrelavant at this time since the human mind is somewhat incapable of understanding such an existance. However, Eveloution would obviously be one of gods processes, in my view designed to bring one of his creations up to his level. This is the fundamental goal of science, to find out How and Why we are here. This makes Sciences goal fundamental the search for god or the understanding of that existance, thus Religion and science are fundamentaly intermixed.

One person may say the earth has only existed for 10,000 years, another would say a few billion. I would not say only ask, What is the intended meaning of existence? since we can not comprehend it fully.

 

[QBA]

Thanks 1st MP3 in NH I will look into the Alpine CDA-7894 mp3 player too.




How do you know that the Human mind is incapable of understanding god existence? Who came up with that one?

Is this a new way of saying not matter how many contracditions are out there proving the flaws on the idea of a god, lets believe on it because our minds are incapables to understand it. Man this is the blindest way of fallowing a theory I have ever heard.

If evolution is a god process why the bible does totally omits it, and expresses the theory of Adam and Eva in instead?

We are not different than any other creature on this planet and is sad that some of us think of human as a group and then the rest of the species, I think that we should take a look at the dna and the anatomy of the rest of the creatures to truly understand that we are just one more species with a relative short life expand, in a big group that has a lot in common with each other

In my opinion that whole after life theory (every religion has its own version of it) is nothing more than a fairy tail to deal with the fact that we are going to die and be recycle back in to this well balance ecologic system, just like any other living creature does. Plus dont take me wrong the idea of a God always watching for us and taking care of our problems is a pretty good medicine for our own insecurities as individuals.
Hey my friend God, he is so powerful and special, I can ask him for things and if I dont get it wasnt his wish and if I get it he help me with it, I think you will get the same result if you pray to a Donut.


Im not trying to insult any one this is just my humble and personal opinion.

Thanks Again

Alex.

 

[QBA]

Wow 1st MP3 in NH, I was reading into the Alpine manual acrobat file and that feature of calculating how far should the spearkers sound in relation to your head sound amazing. this maybe a regular feature in car stereos but because of my lack of knowlegde about it, it sound as a feature to pay the 399

that is the one you have in your car?

 

[pro5foote]

QBA great points!! You should check out a book called "God's Debris". Probably one of the most intresting thought provoking books on the subject its by Scott Adams who is the creator of Dilbert. Let me know what you think.

 

[QBA]

Thanks pro5foote I will take a look at it

 

[QBA]

Hi

This saturday I'm putting two pairs of these Spearkers on my car, two front, two rear.

what do you guys think?

http://www.infinitysystems.com/caraudio/product.asp?ProdId='KAPPA62.5I'&Ser=KAP&Cat=MEL=

thanks

Alex

 

[1sty]

Thanks 1st MP3 in NH I will look into the Alpine CDA-7894 mp3 player too.

Its an absolutely great unit. I don't know its equal for that price. The only one better in Alpines line is the 7998 which adds I-personalize whichis rediculous. You should read up on it.

Originally posted by QBA

How do you know that the Human mind is incapable of understanding god existence? Who came up with that one?

I came up with it. The existance of a creator that is not affected by time or matter not to mention capable of any leel of creation, no matter how excepting we are it can not be understood. To put it in perspective we can understand the exact manner in which something simple happens like someone jumping into the air. We know the interaction of the brain and muscles and the physics of pressure and energy utilized on the ground. THese are tangable and can be studied, an existance of a supreme being can not be searched for directly yet only believed hence it is still behond our comprehension.

Originally posted by QBA

Is this a new way of saying not matter how many contracditions are out there proving the flaws on the idea of a god, lets believe on it because our minds are incapables to understand it. Man this is the blindest way of fallowing a theory I have ever heard.

No its actualy the opposite. Belief is not right right or wrong and nor is science, they are intermixed. Science is mans search for something tangeble in belief.

Originally posted by QBA

If evolution is a god process why the bible does totally omits it, and expresses the theory of Adam and Eva in instead?

We are not different than any other creature on this planet and is sad that some of us think of human as a group and then the rest of the species, I think that we should take a look at the dna and the anatomy of the rest of the creatures to truly understand that we are just one more species with a relative short life expand, in a big group that has a lot in common with each other

The Bible does not omit Evolution, it just doesn't explain it. Adam and Eve were persented but think of all the happenings after them. The Bible delt with people not animals and by the time of the bibles writting, human physical developement has subsided to mental developement. Mental developement is about learning and expanding the mind which is exactly what took place in many stories of the bible.

Humans are made of the same matter as everything else in this world however we are different in our abilities to think. Other creatures may beable to learn simple things but nothing is to our level. Which is why I believe we are here to search for our creator and that which has been created. Now god is a very general term in my mind. Not saying its a cathlic idea or budist or whatever, could be all nature but that non the less would be a creator and we are not capable of understanding all of our environment yet let alone our creation.

Originally posted by QBA

In my opinion that whole after life theory (every religion has its own version of it) is nothing more than a fairy tail to deal with the fact that we are going to die and be recycle back in to this well balance ecologic system, just like any other living creature does. Plus dont take me wrong the idea of a God always watching for us and taking care of our problems is a pretty good medicine for our own insecurities as individuals.
Hey my friend God, he is so powerful and special, I can ask him for things and if I dont get it wasnt his wish and if I get it he help me with it, I think you will get the same result if you pray to a Donut.

Seeming as you are describing reincarnation I'll start there. In the time that religion began developing reincarnation, none knew how bodies decay and are recycled into the system. They delt with recycling on a totaly spiritual level not physical. In fact many emphasize that the body is totaly abandonded and useless in the next life. THis goes somewhat along with the idea of not understanding god. Being all knowing wouldn't a god omit things that can not be understood and only explain that which we can understand or at least simplify things. Explaining Decompistion would be totaly beyond someone of 2,000 years ago and a useless endevor. Also remember that the bible was a mans writtings, nothing says god himself wrote it, misunderstanding and confusion would be omitted.

Lastly in my own beliefs god does not protect us or influence things. He simply waits and watches his creations develope. I don't believe he influenced anthing 2,000 years ago just as he doesn't today. I find the entire idea of religion an earlier cultures need to understand existance. I don't see it as something to be worshipped or thrown away, only as something to work from.

Let me know which head unit you decide on and why, I am still i the sales world after all and I like to know why people eventualy make the decision they do.

Other then Alpine I have always liked Clarion although I am not familiar with there current products.


Audio and religion, I think were on to something here, especialy If J.R.R tolkens fantasy of creation is at all realistic. The world and all its inhabitants were created by song.

I guess Slipknots part of the decay phase of life.

 

[Rider69]

Hey my friend God, he is so powerful and special, I can ask him for things and if I dont get it wasnt his wish and if I get it he help me with it, I think you will get the same result if you pray to a Donut.

A Donut, Ha-ha. I will have to try that sometime. That is a great line and if you don't mind I might start using it in my sig?

 

[1sty]

Kind of like how George Carlin Prays to Joe Peshi

 

[QBA]

The Bible does not omit Evolution, it just doesn't explain it. Adam and Eve were persented but think of all the happenings after them. The Bible delt with people not animals and by the time of the bibles writting, human physical developement has subsided to mental developement. Mental developement is about learning and expanding the mind which is exactly what took place in many stories of the bible.

Ok so the Bible doesn't omit evolution it just doesn't explain it? And evolution happenings after Adam & Eva?

Evolution is a long term of trial and error base on the survivor instinct of living matter, so evolution start when a living matter goes through a series of changes and adaptations to fit better on their environment, so according to the theory of evolution less sophisticated living matter adapted to their environment through millions of years of adaptation and more sophisticated living creatures evolves.

So the idea of Adam and Eva jumping all that process of billions of years, showing up totally developed in a garden of Eden with a apple tree and a snake with dirty thoughts, deny by it self the main idea of evolution, so let's talk some sense here

Humans are made of the same matter as everything else in this world however we are different in our abilities to think. Other creatures may beable to learn simple things but nothing is to our level. Which is why I believe we are here to search for our creator and that which has been created.

I agree that our level of intelligent is more complex than the rest of the creatures that share the planet with us, but trust me the latest studies have shown the capacity of different animals to problem solving, rational thinking and the ability to use tools, and if you really think about it, there are not such a thing as one level of intelligent within the rest of the creatures in this planet, so the fact that some creatures are more intelligent than others in a gradual manner, dictate that there is a harmony on the escalation of the intellect of all the creature including us. And lets face it some one have to have the more complex brain within that group, and I think that is not a representation by any means that our purpose on this planet is just to search for our creator, I think that there is a lot more than just that involve.

Seeming as you are describing reincarnation I'll start there. In the time that religion began developing reincarnation, none knew how bodies decay and are recycled into the system. They delt with recycling on a totaly spiritual level not physical. In fact many emphasize that the body is totaly abandonded and useless in the next life. THis goes somewhat along with the idea of not understanding god. Being all knowing wouldn't a god omit things that can not be understood and only explain that which we can understand or at least simplify things. Explaining Decompistion would be totaly beyond someone of 2,000 years ago and a useless endevor.

Just for the record I wasn't describing reincarnation, since for me that is just one more believe that try to deal with the fact that we are here for a short period of time, and it will be over just like it is for the leopard, the cebra and the bee when they get old and die. So as I said before is easier if we came up with all kind fairy tails explaning how our essitance after death will prolonge . Some religion or believe out there talk about reincarnation like HINDU with the idea of life as a cycle, in which, death leads to rebirth, and the start of a new life. The bible talk about a heaven with an eternal joy and the quaram talk about its own version of heaven with seven virgins wife that for me is as ridiculous as the heaven of the Christians or the reincarnation of the Hindus just to mention some.

Also remember that the bible was a mans writings, nothing says god himself wrote it, misunderstanding and confusion would be omitted.

That is the part I like the most about the bible, it was writing by people that didnt have a clue of what was behind the next mountain or what cause the rain, so here we are believing in a book that was wrote by people with a primitive notion of the world nearly 3500 years ago?

By the way why are we discussing the existence of Christianity and not other of the many religions we have from differences believe around the world? Because that was what people around you expose you to it, since we were colonize by a Christian founded empire right? So the people that believe on the quaram do it because they were more spouse to it on their part of their world, and the people that believe in voodoo do it because their parents and their surroundings where heavily influence by that kind of believe right?

So if you were born in India we may be having this conversation defending Hinduism? Take a look and you will see how religions and believe are heavily popular in different areas of the world according to the history of that particular area. So we can say that is this like music right? Rock for North America, Samba for Brazil, Salsa y Rumba for Latin America ect?

So base on this analysis, if I was going to believe in a supernatural power I have to put the same amount of time to really try to understand each religion as a whole and then will be fair to me as a individual to really make up my mind about any particular one, so defending something because that was what I was spouse to it for geographical reason doesn't make alot of sense to me. Think about it.

Lastly in my own beliefs god does not protect us or influence things. He simply waits and watches his creations develope. I don't believe he influenced anthing 2,000 years ago just as he doesn't today.

I guess that some people can believe on a supernatural power from above and sit there and watch his creation develop. In all honesty I need something with more weight than that.


Going back to the audio part of this, can you check this Speakers that Im putting on the front, and rear of my car and let me know what do you think?

http://www.infinitysystems.com/caraudio/product.asp?ProdId='KAPPA62.5I'&Ser=KAP&Cat=MEL=

Thanks again

Alex

 

[1sty]

Adam and Eve are said to be the first people not he first creations thus not negating evelution which is once a again somehting not understandable by people of that time thus not written about.

I was not including or discluding any religion as I don not suscribe to any of them. I believe as I choose and retionalize myself, I don't not leave other to do it for me. The Bible being a Christan document to me holds the information as people of that time understood it, nothing more. This would be no different then any other religious belief.

Once again I refer to god in a generalized form since that which I believe such a thing must be is beyond our comprehention. Nature, God, Ala, Braham, an dcountless others. All simply terms humans have devised to give substance to this think that can not be catogorized or defined. Be it he, she, it, thing, presence, eveloution, supernatural power, whatever. Only labels to me. All are one and the same.

Scinece has many relms but is fundamentaly the study of our envirenment and be it oceanography or astronomy both study our existance in that they strive to understand our sorroundings which by evolutions theory is our direct creator.

As far as evolutions fundametal purpose to create a being that can find and understand its creator this is only my belief, I never knew of a religion with anything even close.

Are you saying you believe in evolution as the creator of all beings?

I see it simply as a process among countless others however I know something had to set that process in motion. Currently we trace the existance of out universe back to the big bang where all the galaxies were created by a massive explosion, but what cuased it. Did space simply contain one large rock before it exploded? And space itself, I still can't truely understand a concept such as nothingness without borders or boundries. I can imagine it and rationalize it but i can't fully believe it. No rock, gas, liquid, existance at all for internaty! I can't even begin to fathom such a thing truely being or lack there of.

Which brings me to the audio part.
If the big bang did if fact take place, did it make a sound?

 

[QBA]

k so let's go back to the logic of your argument, because we are such a small creature in such huge environment (Universe) and our tools are not powerful enough yet, to go as far and as deep as we have to go to understand what is before the big ban and before what ever we find after that so we can finally put all the pieces together (I know I won't be around when we get there)

So therefore because we don't have the tools yet, we should believe in a supernatural being that is watching us from above? And we should pray to it?

lol that one is not for me, we start by finally getting to understand how the whole thing took place within our planet and that brought down a lot of not sense in theory from many religions, like the earth is flat and support it by giant elephants, and god created Edam and Eve.

So now we are going deeper to try to understand more and more out there, we are not there yet but I'm not buying in to the god theory just because we are not there yet.

By the way what do you think about my speakers?


http://www.infinitysystems.com/caraudio/product.asp?ProdId='KAPPA62.5I'&Ser=KAP&Cat=MEL=

thanks

Alex

 

[QBA]

And by the way what do you think about my analysis of geographical and historical impact into people choice of religions?

Do you think that if you where born in the Middle East where the muslin believe is by far the most popular in the area, you will be Christian too?

Did you get to decided to became Christian after you explorer and study all the different religions out there, our you just went with the one in your neighborhood?

Alex

 

[1sty]

k so let's go back to the logic of your argument, because we are such a small creature in such huge environment (Universe) and our tools are not powerful enough yet, to go as far and as deep as we have to go to understand what is before the big ban and before what ever we find after that so we can finally put all the pieces together (I know I won't be around when we get there)

I've in no way said I believed in God, in any common sense, or a being that watchs over us. But I have abelief that there is much more to our creation then we now know or could even understand.

So therefore because we don't have the tools yet, we should believe in a supernatural being that is watching us from above? And we should pray to it?

No, we should continue to question, search and study as is our indented purpose if not by a creator at least by our nature.

lol that one is not for me, we start by finally getting to understand how the whole thing took place within our planet and that brought down a lot of not sense in theory from many religions, like the earth is flat and support it by giant elephants, and god created Edam and Eve.

Wait, your saying there isn't a giant Elephant, WHY THE HELL AM I ALWAYS THE LAST TO KNOW THESE THINGS!
(rofl)

So now we are going deeper to try to understand more and more out there, we are not there yet but I'm not buying in to the god theory just because we are not there yet.

This is no different then my beliefs. We both think that the idea of a god that has been laid out by previous cultures is out-dated as it was solely based on there understanding of the world. However we both becuase of this realize there is an enormous amount of infomation, theory and concepts we can't even begin to rationalize still out there to be discovered. We know at our very cores that this stor is far from being revieled and that current science can not be substituted for a god since it is even less complete then many religions. But it is the openness of science to discover as opposed to unquestionable belief that may eventualy bring us some other form of creation to another, more complete understanding.

I haven't heard that series of Kappas, only the older green ones. I like the 350 degree piveting tweeter though, should prove useful.

 

[redwagon02]

hmmm...................God and car stereos. You just have to ask yourself this....What Would Jesus Buy? the Alpine or Kenwood.

 

[1sty]

Both, Jesus loves them equaly. (rofl)

 

[QBA]

lol redwagon that is the question, what twould jesus buy ?
If anyone knows about infiny speakers let me know please, I want to know if is a god brand if is a top of the line ect

http://www.infinitysystems.com/caraudio/product.asp?ProdId='KAPPA62.5I'&Ser=KAP&Cat=MEL=