can u move that search box at the bottom of every forum listing to the top so that people can see it easier ? i didn't really notice it there at the bottom until 2-3 weeks ago...i had to sift through 15 pages of off topic threads before i found out that that search box was all the way at the bottom.
Can we keep Mazdaspeed related videos here? (reasoning within)
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mp5jeff said:
To back up savy for a second here. He's not saying the videeos belong in a general MSP secion either. He is saying there should be specific subsections for each car model. So you would search in the MSP video section not just the MSP section.
Being a Mazdaspeed owner, I 100% agree with 1st and Spicy on this. You Mazdaspeed guys that keep complaining about the section need to start browsing the ENTIRE site. I don't understand why people struggle so hard with the search function either. I don't want to have to look in 5 different forums to find 5 different videos. THAT is too much trouble. What if it was a video of a P5 and a MSP? Where would it go then??
Giving the Mazdaspeed section its own sub-categories is only going to seclude them from the other members even more.
Like 1st said, this site has been around for a long time. It works great the way it is. Rather than change the site when someone new registers, they need to learn to adjust to the way things are. You don't see Miata or P5 guys wanting their own video/picture section do you??
Giving the Mazdaspeed section its own sub-categories is only going to seclude them from the other members even more.
Like 1st said, this site has been around for a long time. It works great the way it is. Rather than change the site when someone new registers, they need to learn to adjust to the way things are. You don't see Miata or P5 guys wanting their own video/picture section do you??
"Try staring a reorganization thread. In the correct section, being help/feedback."
Again... ALREADY BEEN DONE! Does no good.
"It only makes things easier to find if you are only concerned with a mazdaspeed and even then simply typing in mazdaspeed in the search will make things just as easy."
Typing in MAZDASPEED in a search should be unnessary. It's 2 clicks dude, you click MAZDASPEED, then VIDEOS, there done, now you are looking at a list of MAZDASPEED videos. What could be easier than that?
"What votes?
Is there a poll about this?
Can you please post a link?"
Seriously do a search, see if you can find it....aww s*** I give up here!
http://www.msprotege.com/vbb225/showthread.php?s=&threadid=38802
45 to 25.
Again... ALREADY BEEN DONE! Does no good.
"It only makes things easier to find if you are only concerned with a mazdaspeed and even then simply typing in mazdaspeed in the search will make things just as easy."
Typing in MAZDASPEED in a search should be unnessary. It's 2 clicks dude, you click MAZDASPEED, then VIDEOS, there done, now you are looking at a list of MAZDASPEED videos. What could be easier than that?
"What votes?
Is there a poll about this?
Can you please post a link?"
Seriously do a search, see if you can find it....aww s*** I give up here!
http://www.msprotege.com/vbb225/showthread.php?s=&threadid=38802
45 to 25.
"I don't want to have to look in 5 different forums to find 5 different videos. THAT is too much trouble.
Were talking 2 clicks total to find what your saying. You want P5 vids, you click the P5 section, then vids, there DONE!
"What if it was a video of a P5 and a MSP?"
You put it where ever the hell you want, and no admins moving s*** around.
Were talking 2 clicks total to find what your saying. You want P5 vids, you click the P5 section, then vids, there DONE!
"What if it was a video of a P5 and a MSP?"
You put it where ever the hell you want, and no admins moving s*** around.
yea....and wade through tons of videos from other kinds of cars. You even making this statement tell ms you do not understand what I'm trying to convey. No one gets it.
It's not a MAZDASPEED thing, every car should be broken down like this, If I want Mazda3 videos I should be able to go to the Mazda3 sections and then click on Videos. Simple as that.
It's not a MAZDASPEED thing, every car should be broken down like this, If I want Mazda3 videos I should be able to go to the Mazda3 sections and then click on Videos. Simple as that.
michaelnchelle
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Anyone else notice that its always the same Mazdaspeed owners who are trying to get anything MSP-related segregated apart from everything else on the forum? Its like they think its beneath them to look at information that isnt MSP-specific.
Well, maybe they are onto something there. You know, we should also have a ES section, and a DX section, apart from the P5 and MSP section. Because, as a P5 owner, I shouldnt have to look at posts from some DX owner who doesnt even have power windows. Oh, and those lowly ES drivers, they dont even have a hatchback, its like a totally different car!! And lets also break it down by year, and by country too. Like why do we need to mix posts from Canadian owners who only have 1.6 liter engines in with our 2.0 liter information!
For those of you lacking the sense of humor gene, YES, this was saracastic. I dont want anyone crying because I insulted thier car or their country of origin. I happen to like Canadians very much, and I also envy DX owners who have the same performance as me but with a much lower payment... I was just too much of a wimp to suffer with rolling my own windows up. I also know that MOST msp drivers are very cool and appreciate ALL Proteges, and sometimes even other makes and models of cars. But the ones who think they have some special exotic car that requires its own special video sections and interior sections and flamewars section maybe should consider making a whole new forum JUST for MSP's. This is when we need Matt to bring everyones ego down a few notches!!
Well, maybe they are onto something there. You know, we should also have a ES section, and a DX section, apart from the P5 and MSP section. Because, as a P5 owner, I shouldnt have to look at posts from some DX owner who doesnt even have power windows. Oh, and those lowly ES drivers, they dont even have a hatchback, its like a totally different car!! And lets also break it down by year, and by country too. Like why do we need to mix posts from Canadian owners who only have 1.6 liter engines in with our 2.0 liter information!
For those of you lacking the sense of humor gene, YES, this was saracastic. I dont want anyone crying because I insulted thier car or their country of origin. I happen to like Canadians very much, and I also envy DX owners who have the same performance as me but with a much lower payment... I was just too much of a wimp to suffer with rolling my own windows up. I also know that MOST msp drivers are very cool and appreciate ALL Proteges, and sometimes even other makes and models of cars. But the ones who think they have some special exotic car that requires its own special video sections and interior sections and flamewars section maybe should consider making a whole new forum JUST for MSP's. This is when we need Matt to bring everyones ego down a few notches!!
Its like they think its beneath them to look at information that isnt MSP-specific."
You are so God Dam stupid! I'm even coming close to saying that.
I'm saying EVERY car kind should be broken down like this. GO to any other forum and thats how it is. I'm saying all the different car kinds should be organized like this.
You have a P5. Wouldn't it be nice to go to the P5 area and see a vid's section ? Or if you were looking for P5 race stories you could go right to your area, and click on race stories. The way it is now you have to wade through tons of other war stories to find a P5 one.
"Anyone else notice that its always the same Mazdaspeed owners who are trying to get anything MSP-related segregated apart from everything else on the forum? "
Not true see here:
http://www.msprotege.com/vbb225/showthread.php?s=&threadid=38802
65% of the people feel the same way. It's not just "the same Mazdaspeed owners".
You are so God Dam stupid! I'm even coming close to saying that.
I'm saying EVERY car kind should be broken down like this. GO to any other forum and thats how it is. I'm saying all the different car kinds should be organized like this.
You have a P5. Wouldn't it be nice to go to the P5 area and see a vid's section ? Or if you were looking for P5 race stories you could go right to your area, and click on race stories. The way it is now you have to wade through tons of other war stories to find a P5 one.
"Anyone else notice that its always the same Mazdaspeed owners who are trying to get anything MSP-related segregated apart from everything else on the forum? "
Not true see here:
http://www.msprotege.com/vbb225/showthread.php?s=&threadid=38802
65% of the people feel the same way. It's not just "the same Mazdaspeed owners".
michaelnchelle
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Thanks for quoting that thread... if you actually READ it instead of just looking at the voting, you will see my point made over and over again. SOME MSP owners tend to think they need thier own forum sections, and MOST other forum members are so sick of hearing them whine about it, they want the mods to do it so that the rest of us can stop listening to it!
Matts post is a perfect summary:
"well they consistently show us that they think they are above us and need their own section. i disagree that it needs to be done. i think that everyone just needs to post in the right goddamn section, but it will never happen, so i would rather it at least be more organized bulls***.
besides, if they tried to start their own, it would never work, because 99 percent of all the people that know what the hell they are talking about have p5s, mp3s, sedans, etc because theyve been "in the know" since before the msp came out. only a few people have had one of the above cars and now own the msp. they would be some of the only useful posts in the new forum, besides people that have worked on cars for years, etc."
As far as me being God daMn stupid, (you forgot the M), No, I would NOT want to go to a P5 section to see P5 videos and s*** like that. If a guy with an ES has some information on an exhaust or intake, then I want to read it, thats why it goes in the performance section. The reason other forums do that with different cars is because they are DIFFERENT cars. You drive a Protege. Yes, it has a turbo... but its still a Protege.
But, still, I am not trying to slam you personally, you just happened to post at the time when I was sick of reading these kinds of posts from other MSP owners. One that sticks out in my memory was the guy who made up some Pep-Boys inspired seat bolsters using office chair comfort pads and stick-on velcro, and then made it a point to specify why that post belonged in the MSP section -- he actually said that MSP owners were more likely to be enthusiasts and other Protege drivers wouldnt care about having better bolsters. Thats the kind of crap I think is stupid.
Matts post is a perfect summary:
"well they consistently show us that they think they are above us and need their own section. i disagree that it needs to be done. i think that everyone just needs to post in the right goddamn section, but it will never happen, so i would rather it at least be more organized bulls***.
besides, if they tried to start their own, it would never work, because 99 percent of all the people that know what the hell they are talking about have p5s, mp3s, sedans, etc because theyve been "in the know" since before the msp came out. only a few people have had one of the above cars and now own the msp. they would be some of the only useful posts in the new forum, besides people that have worked on cars for years, etc."
As far as me being God daMn stupid, (you forgot the M), No, I would NOT want to go to a P5 section to see P5 videos and s*** like that. If a guy with an ES has some information on an exhaust or intake, then I want to read it, thats why it goes in the performance section. The reason other forums do that with different cars is because they are DIFFERENT cars. You drive a Protege. Yes, it has a turbo... but its still a Protege.
But, still, I am not trying to slam you personally, you just happened to post at the time when I was sick of reading these kinds of posts from other MSP owners. One that sticks out in my memory was the guy who made up some Pep-Boys inspired seat bolsters using office chair comfort pads and stick-on velcro, and then made it a point to specify why that post belonged in the MSP section -- he actually said that MSP owners were more likely to be enthusiasts and other Protege drivers wouldnt care about having better bolsters. Thats the kind of crap I think is stupid.
"well they consistently show us that they think they are above us and need their own section. "
This pisses me off huge! I DO NOT FEEL THIS WAY!!!! No one is above anyone...and this has nothing to do with this forum, my ideas or anything else. WE don't need our own section WE ALL DO!!!!! s***! It's unorgainzed, period. Posting everything about a car in ONE huge section is a complete joke.
"You drive a Protege. Yes, it has a turbo... but its still a Protege."
No s***, see - you think I'm above reading about the Protege, this again is WRONG! But the MSP and a base protege have a ton of different parts. I would rather not read about a part of the car I do not have.
"you just happened to post at the time when I was sick of reading these kinds of posts from other MSP owners. "
Again you keep saying MSP owners. The whole forum is one jumbled up tub of posts.
90,000 plus posts ALL IN ONE SUBJECT - MAZDASPEED. How can you not see this is totally retarted!!??!?!
Sorry I called you stupid, you are prolly smarter than me. I did not graduate college. I make dammmmm good money, but as far as smarts go ....well....
"he actually said that MSP owners were more likely to be enthusiasts and other Protege drivers wouldnt care about having better bolsters. Thats the kind of crap I think is stupid."
This guy is obviously a tool, and I'm no way going to align myself with him. Your using a bonehead as an example of this situation.....but seriously if he has an MSP why can't he post something like that in "his" section.
This pisses me off huge! I DO NOT FEEL THIS WAY!!!! No one is above anyone...and this has nothing to do with this forum, my ideas or anything else. WE don't need our own section WE ALL DO!!!!! s***! It's unorgainzed, period. Posting everything about a car in ONE huge section is a complete joke.
"You drive a Protege. Yes, it has a turbo... but its still a Protege."
No s***, see - you think I'm above reading about the Protege, this again is WRONG! But the MSP and a base protege have a ton of different parts. I would rather not read about a part of the car I do not have.
"you just happened to post at the time when I was sick of reading these kinds of posts from other MSP owners. "
Again you keep saying MSP owners. The whole forum is one jumbled up tub of posts.
90,000 plus posts ALL IN ONE SUBJECT - MAZDASPEED. How can you not see this is totally retarted!!??!?!
Sorry I called you stupid, you are prolly smarter than me. I did not graduate college. I make dammmmm good money, but as far as smarts go ....well....
"he actually said that MSP owners were more likely to be enthusiasts and other Protege drivers wouldnt care about having better bolsters. Thats the kind of crap I think is stupid."
This guy is obviously a tool, and I'm no way going to align myself with him. Your using a bonehead as an example of this situation.....but seriously if he has an MSP why can't he post something like that in "his" section.
michaelnchelle
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I guess my point is that the forum is already organized, and your point is that it has outgrown that organization and needs something new. I still dont agree, but then again I dont surf the forums very often. I do know I never have a problem finding anything either.
The problem has always been people not posting in the right section, and by adding more sections, I think that the problem will just get worse and more complicated.
The way I see it, if a post or discussion is about stock components, then it goes in the MSP or P5 or whatever general topic area. But if a post is about aftermarket suspension parts, or aftermarket turbo components, exhaust, etc... then it goes in appropriate tech section (forced induction, suspension, etc). As for photo/video and racing, I dont personally see the need to separate it out. But, maybe inside each of those sections, we could have sub-sections for different models... that way there is still only one photo section, but its broken down inside. That same logic could even work for the other tech sections too.
And I dont care if you call me stupid, lol, this is a forum, its supposed to be fun. The first quote you posted about MSP owners were not my words, I quoted Matthew, who we all know tends to be a little abrasive! The other quote about the idiot with the seat bolsters, I know thats an extreme example, I am just trying to point out how stupid some of this gets. As for me referring to MSP owners specifically, I cannot ever recall reading a post from a P5 driver or any other generation Protege driver ever asking for seperate forums, those requests seem to only come from MSP owners, so thats why I refer to them. Maybe it has happened, I dont really follow the threads that often, but I can definitely recall several MSP owner posts to get thier own forum.
The problem has always been people not posting in the right section, and by adding more sections, I think that the problem will just get worse and more complicated.
The way I see it, if a post or discussion is about stock components, then it goes in the MSP or P5 or whatever general topic area. But if a post is about aftermarket suspension parts, or aftermarket turbo components, exhaust, etc... then it goes in appropriate tech section (forced induction, suspension, etc). As for photo/video and racing, I dont personally see the need to separate it out. But, maybe inside each of those sections, we could have sub-sections for different models... that way there is still only one photo section, but its broken down inside. That same logic could even work for the other tech sections too.
And I dont care if you call me stupid, lol, this is a forum, its supposed to be fun. The first quote you posted about MSP owners were not my words, I quoted Matthew, who we all know tends to be a little abrasive! The other quote about the idiot with the seat bolsters, I know thats an extreme example, I am just trying to point out how stupid some of this gets. As for me referring to MSP owners specifically, I cannot ever recall reading a post from a P5 driver or any other generation Protege driver ever asking for seperate forums, those requests seem to only come from MSP owners, so thats why I refer to them. Maybe it has happened, I dont really follow the threads that often, but I can definitely recall several MSP owner posts to get thier own forum.
"The problem has always been people not posting in the right section, and by adding more sections, I think that the problem will just get worse and more complicated"
I disagree, people post in the wrong section because there are no real sections to post in. The catagories are too general. Apprearance section is too general. Appearance of what car? It's not specific enough. It's too bad an MSP owner can not go to MSP - then Appearance. This would make it fast and easy. Same with a miata, if I want cool interior items for my miata, I have to go through tons of other cars and posts to find miata stuff.
"The first quote you posted about MSP owners were not my words"
I know but you used them to make a point.
I believe the fact that there are 94,000 posts in the MSP section alone speaks for it's self. It's a hodge podge mess.
I disagree, people post in the wrong section because there are no real sections to post in. The catagories are too general. Apprearance section is too general. Appearance of what car? It's not specific enough. It's too bad an MSP owner can not go to MSP - then Appearance. This would make it fast and easy. Same with a miata, if I want cool interior items for my miata, I have to go through tons of other cars and posts to find miata stuff.
"The first quote you posted about MSP owners were not my words"
I know but you used them to make a point.
I believe the fact that there are 94,000 posts in the MSP section alone speaks for it's self. It's a hodge podge mess.
hmm...what if after everytime someone posts something in any thread, they get redirected to the main page that lists all the recently posted threads instead of going back to the post so that they can get distracted by the other threads and read those and discover the other parts of the forum ? haha...nevermind
well to start off a bit too sarcastic:
out of 94,000 MSP posts how many are non-flash and non-clunk related? I don't know but I would be surprised if it was even half...
seriously:
if we split the appearance stuff up or the performance, or whatever, then each section especially the MSPs (which tend to be more MSP focused, IMO) will miss out on what others are doing...
the split should not happen and if people make a conscious effort to post each thread correctly and to search prior to posting then things will be okay. just because other forums do things a different way doesn't mean that this is the wrong way...
out of 94,000 MSP posts how many are non-flash and non-clunk related? I don't know but I would be surprised if it was even half...
seriously:
if we split the appearance stuff up or the performance, or whatever, then each section especially the MSPs (which tend to be more MSP focused, IMO) will miss out on what others are doing...
the split should not happen and if people make a conscious effort to post each thread correctly and to search prior to posting then things will be okay. just because other forums do things a different way doesn't mean that this is the wrong way...
"the split should not happen and if people make a conscious effort to post each thread correctly and to search prior to posting then things will be okay. just because other forums do things a different way doesn't mean that this is the wrong way..."
It's only EVERY other car forum I have ever been on. It's called organization.
Point is I want to CHOOSE to go to the other areas. Normally I'd like to stick to reading about an MSP. Sometimes people even post about how there car is and you may think ok cool I can do that...then come to find out he has a P5...oh wait that won't work.
I found a how-to once for taking off the side moldings off my car, I copied the pages, read through it all, seemed easy...cool I wanna do this. I go out to my car and I slap my head JESUS, what an idiot I am. I don't even have that f'n side things! now maybe I'm new to the car or just a bonehead, but I really thought it was for me.
"out of 94,000 MSP posts how many are non-flash and non-clunk related? I don't know but I would be surprised if it was even half..."
Totally true! But in my world there would be a service section for those things. Organized and clean.
It's only EVERY other car forum I have ever been on. It's called organization.
Point is I want to CHOOSE to go to the other areas. Normally I'd like to stick to reading about an MSP. Sometimes people even post about how there car is and you may think ok cool I can do that...then come to find out he has a P5...oh wait that won't work.
I found a how-to once for taking off the side moldings off my car, I copied the pages, read through it all, seemed easy...cool I wanna do this. I go out to my car and I slap my head JESUS, what an idiot I am. I don't even have that f'n side things! now maybe I'm new to the car or just a bonehead, but I really thought it was for me.
"out of 94,000 MSP posts how many are non-flash and non-clunk related? I don't know but I would be surprised if it was even half..."
Totally true! But in my world there would be a service section for those things. Organized and clean.
