Cam gears? Throttle bodies and more...

[1FST2M6]

a friend of mine works for a company that manufacturers adjustable Cam gears, Throttle bodies, cams and lots of other things for mazdas. what other companies are distributing said parts for PRO 5s? or the engine group?


i'll post a pic of their work on my other friends yellow Pro5 tomorrow morning.

intake and exhaust adjustable cam gears,
60 and 65mm throttle bodies
race headers
custom intake manifolds


the car dynoed bone stock at 105hp (13k miles) on a dynojet model 248c Chassis dyno.

 

[njaremka]

what company is this? do they have a web-site? references?!?

 

[1FST2M6]

yes.. but i'm not allowed to release any info.. i'm doing other company recon for close or better pricing.

they have a web page, they've built a few mazda engines. a local firm that built a turbo MP3 will be stocking/marketing and shipping the product under their name.

do you know of any other of the above mentioned parts sold by anyone else for this application..

 

[njaremka]

tripoint and i think it's sun automotive make cam gears, awr makes racing headers, cams can be had from anywhere that makes cams. ( however, the popular ones are made by mazda and are not very aggressive)

i would think that intake manifolds are going to be a hard item to push, unless you can come up with a way to fool the ecu into thinking the VICS and VTCS solonoids are still functioning normally.

 

[1FST2M6]

Tri-point and sun.. thank you..

the intakes would be Race only... cams are ground on customers needs, turbo, nitrous etc.

 

[Kooldino]

How about just releasing a general n/a non-nitroused agressive cam grind? Something for the average Joe who wants power out of his car...who might have say...headers, intake, exhaust. Stuff like that.

 

[mp3moose]

I agree with Kooldino I would love all these goodies for N/A:

intake and exhaust adjustable cam gears,
60 and 65mm throttle bodies
race headers

 

[jonlisle20]

Yes, definitely would be nice to have a set of cam gears that we can actually adjust! (The exhaust cam gear from tripoint doesn't work on our car)
I know that I would definitely buy a set of aggressive cams for our car! (N/A **LIGHTLY** modified ie: CAI, header, exhaust)
The Mazdaspeed and the like don't provide enough of a gain to be worth buying. Just my opinion though.
Bring em on!!

 

[1FST2M6]

rock on keep the ideas comming!

we have dyno proof that these cam gears work and have been installed/tested on a 5spd Pro 5 for over 3 months.

what other products would you like to see?


-street cam -all around-

 

[20ESGUY]

Definitly like to see a good quality full length 4-2-1 header with egr port and O2 sensor bung.

 

[70]

Once again I am forced to ask what the obsession is with the "bigger" throttle bodies?? This is not a Honda!

I've said it before and I'll say it again here, they are not going to make a difference on this car. Eric Burmeister, SCCA Pro-Rally, tested the current stock throttle body. There are no gains to be had from a bigger throttle body. Not even doing stuff to the present throttle body yielded anything.

Nobody makes a throttle body, they are not needed.

Cam gears would be nice, however dealing the cam sensor on the exhuast side is a problem. Supposedly Tri-Point's cam gears are supposed to work because they are made from a non-ferrous metal, however CHDesign could not get them to work.

Sunbelt, the guys who build the motors for the Speed World Challenege Proteges, are supposed to have cams, cam gears and some other choice parts.

The cams that are available work well, they just need a little tuning to work right. Any other after-market camn would need similar tuning, so once again, cam gears would be nice.

The intake manifold from the FS-ZE is probably the best one there is for the Protege 2.0 liter right now. Corksport has it, as well as Mazdaspeed Motorsports. However I think Mazdaspeed stopped selling to the public, you now have to be a member.

I'm not trying to talk down this un-named company, but making parts that will actually make more power is what people want. A larger throttle body won't. Cam gears that won't throw a CEL, would be nice. Decent cams are out there...

I don't know, it will be nice to see companies making more parts for the third gen Protege, but making parts that will do something. Don't build the Protege market like the Honda market was built.

 

[1FST2M6]

larger TBs don't make a difference? humm... then why is there is a higher weight penatly for a 65mm unit over a 60 in Speed Channel World Challange sanctioned racing? i'll be posting dyno results over the next week or so.. along with pics and has dyno proof of the 60mm and 65mm units both with gains over stock.

- Sunbelt, the guys who build the motors for the Speed World Challenege Proteges, are supposed to have cams, cam gears and some other choice parts.-

since you mentioned them... their list so far is adjustable Cam gears intake and exhaust, TBs(60 and 65mm), Cams and working on cat backs for NA and a seperate sytem for turbo applications. For shop references you could look at the Speed Channel World Challenge Cars. The parts will be sold through OPM Optimum Performance Machine. i'll post their information pricing, availability and dyno results soon.

 

[70]

larger TBs don't make a difference? humm... then why is there is a higher weight penatly for a 65mm unit over a 60 in Speed Channel World Challange sanctioned racing? i'll be posting dyno results over the next week or so.. along with pics and has dyno proof of the 60mm and 65mm units both with gains over stock.

- Sunbelt, the guys who build the motors for the Speed World Challenege Proteges, are supposed to have cams, cam gears and some other choice parts.-

since you mentioned them... their list so far is adjustable Cam gears intake and exhaust, TBs(60 and 65mm), Cams and working on cat backs for NA and a seperate sytem for turbo applications. For shop references you could look at the Speed Channel World Challenge Cars. The parts will be sold through OPM Optimum Performance Machine. i'll post their information pricing, availability and dyno results soon.

Yeah, my car runs like a World Challenge car on the street buddy...That's why I need a bigger throttle body?? Hmm, let's see here, nope, my car doesn't red line at 8000 rpm, nor am I running 13:1 compression or something like that...

I know who OPM is...They are good company. They make a lot of stuff for the Honda CRX/Civic, etc. They also have a pretty cool little Miata going. I've talked to them quite a bit back towards the end of last and beginning of this year when I was doing research on this stuff (after-market parts for the 3rd gen Protege).

Please, by all means post the dynos for the throttle bodies though. I'd like to see what a stock car makes with one.

 

[chdesign]

The Tripoint gear is made of a ferrous metal the bolts for the adjustment are made of a non-ferrous metal the cam position sensor is a ferrous metal detector that senses BOTH low and high spots in the gear so instead of seeing only low nad high spots on teh tripoint gear it sees lwo high and nothing which throws it off which it does idle but give it gas and it goes all to hell. I'm goign to attempt to make one from my old gear soon and also do some wild tuning on the gears.

 

[LinuxRacr]

Originally posted by StuttersC

The intake manifold from the FS-ZE is probably the best one there is for the Protege 2.0 liter right now. Corksport has it, as well as Mazdaspeed Motorsports. However I think Mazdaspeed stopped selling to the public, you now have to be a member.

I accually sold my FS-ZE manifold to one of our forum members (The Man), and he has had some decent findings. Here is the link:


Intake Manifold Write Up

 

[70]

Hey, where are the dynos of the throttle bodies??

I thought we were supposed to have them by now?

 

[LinuxRacr]

Hey, where are the dynos of the throttle bodies??

I thought we were supposed to have them by now?

I know, right?:wtf:

 

[70]

I know, right?:wtf:

Maybe they didn't do what they originally thought they would do for a car in relativley stock trim?

I don't want to talk smack about it, but they said they would be up by now and I'm wondering where the results are...

 

[70]

I just wanted to bump this up, because I wanted to see what the results were from the 60mm and 65mm throttle body v. the stock 55mm on the dyno.


What happened? I seriously wanted to be proven wrong. I wanted to see if the larger throttle body made a difference on an N/A car that was running relativley stock.

Where did you go 1FST2M6??? What happened? Why no results, have you guys been to busy? I'm not trying to be an ass here, I would really like to see this arguement settled. Plus, I am interested in finding out what each one would do for performance on an F/I car.

WHAT HAPPENED??