yes...fear the new neon, it scares the s*** out of me...yes...it's JUST a neon, but for my car I can say "It's Just a sentra" or for the MSP we can all say "It's just a protege" 
I think the MSP and the Spec are quite evenly matched...but the new neon...wow...umm it's just beyond it's just not taking the pocket rocket segment...it's here to fight the WRX...unlike the MSP and the Spec only being rice rockets...fighting the Civic Sir, Celica, Tib, and the RSX (I hope I'm not leaving any other cars) but for 1/4 mile in any of those above cars cept for the WRX and the New Neon, would purly be a drivers race...
Handling in ALL the cars above would be..1. MSP 2. Spec V 2. Neon (tied?) 3. Celica GTS 3. WRX (I've heard varing opinions) 4. Tib 4 (tied) RSX 5. Civic Sir (I personally think it handles like crap
All the above are from my personal experience...and from the experience from people I know who've driven all these cars.
I think the MSP and the Spec are quite evenly matched...but the new neon...wow...umm it's just beyond it's just not taking the pocket rocket segment...it's here to fight the WRX...unlike the MSP and the Spec only being rice rockets...fighting the Civic Sir, Celica, Tib, and the RSX (I hope I'm not leaving any other cars) but for 1/4 mile in any of those above cars cept for the WRX and the New Neon, would purly be a drivers race...
Handling in ALL the cars above would be..1. MSP 2. Spec V 2. Neon (tied?) 3. Celica GTS 3. WRX (I've heard varing opinions) 4. Tib 4 (tied) RSX 5. Civic Sir (I personally think it handles like crap
All the above are from my personal experience...and from the experience from people I know who've driven all these cars.
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Are you on crack?? You obviously know nothing about the handling of the cars you speak of!! The handling of the Neon R/T and coming SRT4 are equal or better than the SpecV and only a hair off the MSP!!!!!!!! Check your facts or the SpecV board where I posted Grassroots Motorsports AutoX test of some of the cars you mentioned!
Okay...I guess I'll re-do this.
For Speed it will probally go something like this (1/4) time
1. Wrx
2. Neon (maybe tied?)
3. GTi VR6
4. (3 way tie) RSX, MSP, Spec V, GTi 1.8T
5. SiR + SVT
6. Celica GTS
7. Tib
Handling.
1. MSP
2. Spec V + Neon
3. Celica GTS
4. (2 way tie) RSX and Tib and SVT
5. GTis
6. Sir
Looks.
1. Tib
2. Celica
3. (2 way tie) MSP and RSX
4. Spec V
5. GTi
6. WRX
7. SiR
8. Neon (it's a ugly ugly neon)
Sound System.
1. MSP
2. Spec V
3. Tib (only the V6 GT ones)
4. RSX Type S (the premium ones sound like s***)
5. Everything else...
But they all suck...but the Spec and the MSP both have Excellent sound systems for stock.
Luxury.
1. RSX (it has leather seats, and climate control..and it's an acura) GTi as well
2. Tib and Celica and Neon...they both can get leather
3. Spec V + WRX + SVT
4. MSP (where's the sunroof?)
Security.
1. GTi
2. Spec V (sorry if I'm biased, but it's the only one that I know that comes with the imobilizer key)
3. Everything else (stock alarms)
Build Quality
1. RSX + SiR (they're hondas, they'll never break down)
2. Celica GTS (It's a toyota, they're really close)
3. GTi
4. 2003 Spec Vs, MSP, and WRX
5. Tib (it's still a hyundai)
6. SVT Focus
7. Neon (it's still a domestic)
Price.
1. Spec V (it's the cheapest)
2. MSP + Neon (they're like so close they should be tied)
3. Tib GT + SVT Focus
4. RSX Type S + Celica GTS + WRX + GTi + Cooper (In canadian funds, fully loaded...they are like super close in price...maybe the WRX is slightly more expensive) The Cooper is a BMW...nuff said
Fun To Drive Factor (this one will be a toughy...)
1. MSP (?) + Spec V (Torque on demand = Fun 
)
2. Neon (? never drove one)
3. WRX (a lil too long of a turbo lag)
4. Tib GT
5. Celica GTS (it's not bad...I like the shifter, and the way it handles...but where's the torque) + GTi
6. SVT Focus...(?)
7. RSX Type S (no offence RSX, but WHERE IS THE TORQUE?!?! Quote from Acrura guy "Rev it up to 6000 rpm, listen to how loud it is, you know you can feel power now" me: "....*revs it up* so...where's the power feeling and torque" Acura dealer: "...." (I LOVE the shift knob though, it's sooooooo nice ^.^)
8. SiR (man the engine sounds like a tin can....acctually it is worse...it's just pathetic, and the shifter SUCKS)
Availibility.
1. SiR + WRX + RSX + GTS
2. Tib GT
3. SVT Focus
4. Spec V (they'res still like a 5 month wait for one here)
5. Neon (one year run)
6. MSP (2000 first one, then maybe 1000 more for 2003.5?)
Hmm I have NO idea where the mini cooper fits onto....since I haven't read one review or haevn't had the chance to drive one.
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That was just my list....do I Think the new neon is scary...yes...so what if it's just a neon, it'll still blow you away.
P.S. Can anyone hook up a canadian with an RSX Type S shift knob, I swear it's like the BEST shift knob I've ever used, better than all the aftermarket ones I've used
For Speed it will probally go something like this (1/4) time
1. Wrx
2. Neon (maybe tied?)
3. GTi VR6
4. (3 way tie) RSX, MSP, Spec V, GTi 1.8T
5. SiR + SVT
6. Celica GTS
7. Tib
Handling.
1. MSP
2. Spec V + Neon
3. Celica GTS
4. (2 way tie) RSX and Tib and SVT
5. GTis
6. Sir
Looks.
1. Tib
2. Celica
3. (2 way tie) MSP and RSX
4. Spec V
5. GTi
6. WRX
7. SiR
8. Neon (it's a ugly ugly neon)
Sound System.
1. MSP
2. Spec V
3. Tib (only the V6 GT ones)
4. RSX Type S (the premium ones sound like s***)
5. Everything else...
But they all suck...but the Spec and the MSP both have Excellent sound systems for stock.
Luxury.
1. RSX (it has leather seats, and climate control..and it's an acura) GTi as well
2. Tib and Celica and Neon...they both can get leather
3. Spec V + WRX + SVT
4. MSP (where's the sunroof?)
Security.
1. GTi
2. Spec V (sorry if I'm biased, but it's the only one that I know that comes with the imobilizer key)
3. Everything else (stock alarms)
Build Quality
1. RSX + SiR (they're hondas, they'll never break down)
2. Celica GTS (It's a toyota, they're really close)
3. GTi
4. 2003 Spec Vs, MSP, and WRX
5. Tib (it's still a hyundai)
6. SVT Focus
7. Neon (it's still a domestic)
Price.
1. Spec V (it's the cheapest)
2. MSP + Neon (they're like so close they should be tied)
3. Tib GT + SVT Focus
4. RSX Type S + Celica GTS + WRX + GTi + Cooper (In canadian funds, fully loaded...they are like super close in price...maybe the WRX is slightly more expensive) The Cooper is a BMW...nuff said
Fun To Drive Factor (this one will be a toughy...)
1. MSP (?) + Spec V (Torque on demand
= Fun )2. Neon (? never drove one)
3. WRX (a lil too long of a turbo lag)
4. Tib GT
5. Celica GTS (it's not bad...I like the shifter, and the way it handles...but where's the torque) + GTi
6. SVT Focus...(?)
7. RSX Type S (no offence RSX, but WHERE IS THE TORQUE?!?! Quote from Acrura guy "Rev it up to 6000 rpm, listen to how loud it is, you know you can feel power now" me: "....*revs it up* so...where's the power feeling and torque" Acura dealer: "...." (I LOVE the shift knob though, it's sooooooo nice ^.^)
8. SiR (man the engine sounds like a tin can....acctually it is worse...it's just pathetic, and the shifter SUCKS)
Availibility.
1. SiR + WRX + RSX + GTS
2. Tib GT
3. SVT Focus
4. Spec V (they'res still like a 5 month wait for one here)
5. Neon (one year run)
6. MSP (2000 first one, then maybe 1000 more for 2003.5?)
Hmm I have NO idea where the mini cooper fits onto....since I haven't read one review or haevn't had the chance to drive one.
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That was just my list....do I Think the new neon is scary...yes...so what if it's just a neon, it'll still blow you away.
P.S. Can anyone hook up a canadian with an RSX Type S shift knob, I swear it's like the BEST shift knob I've ever used, better than all the aftermarket ones I've used
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I would tend to agree with most of your list with the exception of the 'Looks' catagory. I don't see how you can place the Tiburon and Celica over the MSP and RSX? I agree the Tib is a good looking car...for a Hyundai and the Celica is just awful. It is a subjective rating and I'd have to go with the following:
1. MSP
2. RSX
3. Tib
4. Spec V
5. WRX
5. Celica
6. Neon
7. SiR
1. MSP
2. RSX
3. Tib
4. Spec V
5. WRX
5. Celica
6. Neon
7. SiR
TedManEight
Member
I must agree to the tib being on top for looks as it has the best styling out of all these cars IMO. However, have you seen the interior??? LOL. I thought about getting one till I sat inside LOL!!! As for the rest i put the rsx and the celica abouve the MSP simply because it just looks more sporty being a coupe and all its hard to compare though. For a Compact Sedan MSP is top notch in looks! Better than the WRX by a land slide. Still IMO only though. You guys I am sure have your own opinions.
tritonheat1
Banned
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- 06 MS6, 98 A4 1.8T Rebuilt
0-60 and 1/4times.
....................................................0-60......................1/4mile
Hyundai Tiburon GT-V6.................7.4sec................15.5sec
Toyota Celica GT-S.......................7.2sec................15.4sec
Acura RSX-TypeS..........................6.7sec................15.2sec
Ford Focus SVT.............................7.3sec................15.6sec
Honda Civic SI..............................7.6sec.................15.9sec
Dodge Neon SRT-4.......................5.8sec.................14.2sec
Subaru Impreza WRX...................5.6sec.................14.4sec
Mazdaspeed Protege...................6.5sec.................14.9sec
I think that's about right.
....................................................0-60......................1/4mile
Hyundai Tiburon GT-V6.................7.4sec................15.5sec
Toyota Celica GT-S.......................7.2sec................15.4sec
Acura RSX-TypeS..........................6.7sec................15.2sec
Ford Focus SVT.............................7.3sec................15.6sec
Honda Civic SI..............................7.6sec.................15.9sec
Dodge Neon SRT-4.......................5.8sec.................14.2sec
Subaru Impreza WRX...................5.6sec.................14.4sec
Mazdaspeed Protege...................6.5sec.................14.9sec
I think that's about right.
rodslinger
Member
mp3moose said:
The car has resonators instead. The turbo also muffles the exhaust quite well.
The SRT-4 intrigues me just because of this simple fact. MOPAR will be offering a 300hp kit for $3500 which DOESN'T void the factory warranty!!! Sorry the pics are kinda big!!
From the Dodge website.....
"The standard Dodge SRT-4 engine delivers the performance of aftermarket kits costing anywhere from $2,500 to $3,500, but as a production powerplant, it is covered by a full factory warranty. "
From the Dodge website.....
"The standard Dodge SRT-4 engine delivers the performance of aftermarket kits costing anywhere from $2,500 to $3,500, but as a production powerplant, it is covered by a full factory warranty. "
MMMatHeart
Member
See my comments at the end of each category.
And because I'm old and frugal, Resale
1. Honda/Acura/ Cooper S
2. WRX
3. MSP/Spec V (Sentras depreciate less, but MSP is "limited")
4. SVT
5. Neon/Tiburon
Only IMHO. That's $0.02 USD/$0.03CAD
Daemos said:For Speed it will probally go something like this (1/4) time
1. Wrx
2. Neon (maybe tied?)
3. GTi VR6
4. (3 way tie) RSX, MSP, Spec V, GTi 1.8T
5. SiR + SVT
6. Celica GTS
7. Tib
Better put the Cooper S at 3.
Handling.
1. MSP
2. Spec V + Neon
3. Celica GTS
4. (2 way tie) RSX and Tib and SVT
5. GTis
6. Sir
Cooper S along with the MSP (check out AJAC contest)
Looks.
1. Tib
2. Celica
3. (2 way tie) MSP and RSX
4. Spec V
5. GTi
6. WRX
7. SiR
8. Neon (it's a ugly ugly neon)
Cooper S at 2 (tied) - the interior alone is cocktail/bar talk for the evening.
Sound System.
1. MSP
2. Spec V
3. Tib (only the V6 GT ones)
4. RSX Type S (the premium ones sound like s***)
5. Everything else...
But they all suck...but the Spec and the MSP both have Excellent sound systems for stock.
Luxury.
1. RSX (it has leather seats, and climate control..and it's an acura) GTi as well
2. Tib and Celica and Neon...they both can get leather
3. Spec V + WRX + SVT
4. MSP (where's the sunroof?)
Cooper S at 2. SVT is the same as MSP-no sunroof. The Neon, I'm sorry is no higher than MSP. You can put in options, but they're cheap quality options except the seats.
Security.
1. GTi
2. Spec V (sorry if I'm biased, but it's the only one that I know that comes with the imobilizer key)
3. Everything else (stock alarms)
Build Quality
1. RSX + SiR (they're hondas, they'll never break down)
2. Celica GTS (It's a toyota, they're really close)
3. GTi
4. 2003 Spec Vs, MSP, and WRX
5. Tib (it's still a hyundai)
6. SVT Focus
7. Neon (it's still a domestic)
Subes are reknowned for their toughness (3 ). VWs aren't all that reliable...although feel/look real nice.
Price.
1. Spec V (it's the cheapest)
2. MSP + Neon (they're like so close they should be tied)
3. Tib GT + SVT Focus
4. RSX Type S + Celica GTS + WRX + GTi + Cooper (In canadian funds, fully loaded...they are like super close in price...maybe the WRX is slightly more expensive) The Cooper is a BMW...nuff said
Neon has no official Canadian price. However, RT is only $20K CAD. With the $3kUSD/$5KCAD price differential of the US, it could be around $25K!!!! It would be hard for them to justify a $7K jump. Note that the MSP is "only a $6k premium over the P5.
With comparable options, MSP, SVT, and GTI 1.8 are within $1k CAD. WRX and GTS are about $3k over Type S and Cooper S. Probably optioned comparably, the WRX, GTS, Type S and Cooper S are the same (around $33k)
Fun To Drive Factor (this one will be a toughy...)
1. MSP (?) + Spec V (Torque on demand
2. Neon (? never drove one)
3. WRX (a lil too long of a turbo lag)
4. Tib GT
5. Celica GTS (it's not bad...I like the shifter, and the way it handles...but where's the torque) + GTi
6. SVT Focus...(?)
7. RSX Type S (no offence RSX, but WHERE IS THE TORQUE?!?! Quote from Acrura guy "Rev it up to 6000 rpm, listen to how loud it is, you know you can feel power now" me: "....*revs it up* so...where's the power feeling and torque" Acura dealer: "...." (I LOVE the shift knob though, it's sooooooo nice ^.^)
8. SiR (man the engine sounds like a tin can....acctually it is worse...it's just pathetic, and the shifter SUCKS)
Gotta put Cooper S up at 1. It's truly a go kart with less lag (supercharged) than the 1.8T
Availibility.
1. SiR + WRX + RSX + GTS
2. Tib GT
3. SVT Focus
4. Spec V (they'res still like a 5 month wait for one here)
5. Neon (one year run)
6. MSP (2000 first one, then maybe 1000 more for 2003.5?)
Cooper S are available in Toronto. Spec Vs were tought, but have seen several on several dealer lots for almost a month around Toronto. Neons expected Jan. SVTs have been advertised (like the SiR) in Edmonton, so they're probably not selling, and should be available.
And because I'm old and frugal, Resale
1. Honda/Acura/ Cooper S
2. WRX
3. MSP/Spec V (Sentras depreciate less, but MSP is "limited")
4. SVT
5. Neon/Tiburon
Only IMHO. That's $0.02 USD/$0.03CAD
Uh, I believe you are mistaken.talon4x4 said:
Unless you find convincing evidence to the contrary, I believe and of the Mopar upgrade kits void the factory warranty. Your quote above means "This engine comes from the factory with a warranty but has the performance of a engine with $2500-$3500 worth of mods."
tritonheat1 said:0-60 and 1/4times.
....................................................0-60......................1/4mile
Hyundai Tiburon GT-V6.................7.4sec................15.5sec
Toyota Celica GT-S.......................7.2sec................15.4sec
Acura RSX-TypeS..........................6.7sec................15.2sec
Ford Focus SVT.............................7.3sec................15.6sec
Honda Civic SI..............................7.6sec.................15.9sec
Dodge Neon SRT-4.......................5.8sec.................14.2sec
Subaru Impreza WRX...................5.6sec.................14.4sec
Mazdaspeed Protege...................6.5sec.................14.9sec
I think that's about right.
The times I was using to compare were ALL from Sport Compact Car. The 14.9 second 1/4 mile is only on the preproduciton car, but the one that SSC got, handled WAY better, and did the 1/4 mile in the mid 15s.
Men, youre out for the mazdaspeed numbers so let me doubt of the other one...
SCC numbers for the mazda speed protege is 7.1 for 0-60mph and 15.3 for the quarter mile... @90.1mph
I have the magazine in front of me,
i dont know where you took your number, but i wish it was real!
They said they tested and retested straight line speed and only managed to get those numbers, not bad but not amazing.
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SCC numbers for the mazda speed protege is 7.1 for 0-60mph and 15.3 for the quarter mile... @90.1mph
I have the magazine in front of me,
i dont know where you took your number, but i wish it was real!
They said they tested and retested straight line speed and only managed to get those numbers, not bad but not amazing.
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