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Uhh..yeah ok......no comparison in performance? why don't we go by WHEEL HORSEPOWER AND TORQUE numbers bro.
Mazda could have gotten away with advertising the MSP as having 180, 190 MAYBE even 200hp at the crank. SCC dynoed it at 152whp, with Mazda advertising it as having 170 hp thats a VERY small drivetrain loss. I don't know what the neon dynos' at, but you could easily match each cars HP figures with this thing called a BOOST CONTROLLER
And I'm going to wait until i sum up the comparison as being "neon wins on performance side". How does it handle? I highly doubt its as good as the MSP which is stated to have better handling than a TYPE R!!!!!!! I'm sure chrysler has figured out a way to get the handling better than that
besides, why are the "HP" and "torque" numbers so important? i'd rather have handling and reliability over the smallish power advantage of the NEON
Mazda could have gotten away with advertising the MSP as having 180, 190 MAYBE even 200hp at the crank. SCC dynoed it at 152whp, with Mazda advertising it as having 170 hp thats a VERY small drivetrain loss. I don't know what the neon dynos' at, but you could easily match each cars HP figures with this thing called a BOOST CONTROLLER
And I'm going to wait until i sum up the comparison as being "neon wins on performance side". How does it handle? I highly doubt its as good as the MSP which is stated to have better handling than a TYPE R!!!!!!! I'm sure chrysler has figured out a way to get the handling better than that
besides, why are the "HP" and "torque" numbers so important? i'd rather have handling and reliability over the smallish power advantage of the NEON
Can we not have this SRT-4 VS. MSP discussion until the SRT-4 is actually reviewed by some enthusiast magazines. Or even better, until it is released. It's rediculous to speculate since it's a brand new platform. All-wheel drive and all I'm just getting a little tired of people debating this topic, but then again, this is what the message boards are for.
I'm just getting a little tired of people debating this topic, but then again, this is what the message boards are for.APEXistud said:Can we not have this SRT-4 VS. MSP discussion until the SRT-4 is actually reviewed by some enthusiast magazines. Or even better, until it is released. It's rediculous to speculate since it's a brand new platform. All-wheel drive and all
well first, i wasnt trying to start a discussion really, i was just ranting about the bunch of domestic loving assholes at the other board.
and second, where does all-wheel drive come into play? they are both FWD cars, to my knowledge.
OK, just to start...I like the MP3 and the P5 and the coming MSP. Nice cars!
To clear up a few things though.....got to Dodge's website and click on the SRT4 flash site at the bottom, then check ALL the specs for yourself.
215hp
245ft/lbs
45more hp and way more torque than the MSP, as well Mopar is offering three power upgrades, 25hp, 50hp, and 75hp. The car will have beefy equal length driveshafts and a rumoured LSD is in the works too.
Most of you do not seem aware of the Neon's history of kicking ass at autoX events for 7 yrs now. In recent car mag reviews the Neon R/T was only a hair off the MP3 in slalom duties and the R/T braked shorter too. One reviewer said, "this car does more with less in the tire department, narrowest tires of the group and pretty much a match for the MP3".
You can quote all you want about the 1st gen reliability record for Neons but the 2nd gen (00-03) are leaps and bounds better. JD Power initial quality reports rates it higher than Sentra, Protege, Golf, etc. Long term test of the R/T and the P/Tcruiser (neon chassis) give them great reliability reports and low maintenece costs.
I just want to straighten things out on here, not start s***. I don't care if people hack the looks, matter of opinion if you ask me
If you can turn the boost up easily on the MSP, the two cars will be a great match up. In Canada, I was quoted 28-29k for the MSP and 27k for the SRT4...
Although it seems on here some guys are saying they are gonna pay 26k for the MSP? That sounds a bit more reasonable to me.
BTW, this is what I drive
To clear up a few things though.....got to Dodge's website and click on the SRT4 flash site at the bottom, then check ALL the specs for yourself.
215hp
245ft/lbs
45more hp and way more torque than the MSP, as well Mopar is offering three power upgrades, 25hp, 50hp, and 75hp. The car will have beefy equal length driveshafts and a rumoured LSD is in the works too.
Most of you do not seem aware of the Neon's history of kicking ass at autoX events for 7 yrs now. In recent car mag reviews the Neon R/T was only a hair off the MP3 in slalom duties and the R/T braked shorter too. One reviewer said, "this car does more with less in the tire department, narrowest tires of the group and pretty much a match for the MP3".
You can quote all you want about the 1st gen reliability record for Neons but the 2nd gen (00-03) are leaps and bounds better. JD Power initial quality reports rates it higher than Sentra, Protege, Golf, etc. Long term test of the R/T and the P/Tcruiser (neon chassis) give them great reliability reports and low maintenece costs.
I just want to straighten things out on here, not start s***. I don't care if people hack the looks, matter of opinion if you ask me
If you can turn the boost up easily on the MSP, the two cars will be a great match up. In Canada, I was quoted 28-29k for the MSP and 27k for the SRT4... Although it seems on here some guys are saying they are gonna pay 26k for the MSP? That sounds a bit more reasonable to me.BTW, this is what I drive
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To be honest I wouldn't even think of owning a neon. Yeah, its got more HP and torque than us, but think of it this way, our handling is far supeiror, looks are better, there's not 2 million of them on the road, and the build quality is like comparing a battleship to a zodiac boat. Besides the fact i think that dodges site still lists the preliminary HP #s I think the production version is quoted at around 208 HP. Any time you see one of those SRT's just tell em what MOPAR really stands for
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First off, that Neon SRT was a one off. The Neon SRT-4 that is coming out next year is FWD Turbo, not S/C. Otherwise the stats are the same. Nothing else has been said about the SRT-4 other than HP ratings. Don't try to compare something that has been reviewed and will hit the street next month to something that is planned.....things change.....
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tritonheat1 said:
That yellow srt is ugly, but..... that black srt damn, that's no to bad
That is totally true. We used to race formula cars at SCCA (Hello, Putnam Park!Hello Formula Ford 2000!), and I'd watch all the other classes when I had a chance. The neons were by far the biggest surprise. They handled showroom stock like a damn dream on the course. They ate corners and are a fun class to watch. Yes, I just said that neon R/T is a fun class to watch. They are quick and agile cars, and actually well suited for the mini-road courses that they raced on.buster said:
True, they'll last you about 50K, but until then they are actually a good cheap performance car.
That said, the MSP will kick its ass (Of course so will my P5 once I drop a F/I six cyl in there). The MP3 and MSP are auto-x monsters, along with their meaner older sibling, the miata. These cars are, as everyone here who auto-x's them knows, truly gorgeous cars to drive around those orange cones, and just as much fun for SCCA road.
You guys are aware that there is 2 generations of the Neon right? The 2nd gen cars are holding up just fine, and well past 50k. Cars I beat at the last local autoX, 2nd gen Integra with 150lbs less weight and 3k in suspension, 01 Celica with suspension, intake, header, exhaust, 99 Impreza RS with too many mods too list. I have 1.5" lowering springs (same rate as stock) an intake, and Kuhmo's. I have been waiting to see an MP3 show, or maybe a trip to Vancouver is in order to autoX against one. I am very confident I can keep up
Both cars are gonna kick some ass in the segment, only problem is for 03 Dodge is only making 5000 and Mazda is making 1500. I think most of the Honda/Acura guys are kinda jealous, especially with no Type-R's showing for at least a year or two.
http://www.dodge.com/srt-4/index.html?tsrc=brand&tgrp=promo2&tname=srt4_home
Both cars are gonna kick some ass in the segment, only problem is for 03 Dodge is only making 5000 and Mazda is making 1500. I think most of the Honda/Acura guys are kinda jealous, especially with no Type-R's showing for at least a year or two.
http://www.dodge.com/srt-4/index.html?tsrc=brand&tgrp=promo2&tname=srt4_home
Kooldino said:
it seems alot of you guys are misinformed about the neon...
1) the SRT-4 will be turbocharged
2) the Neon as a whole, as said already, is most DEFinitely a formidable autocrosser
Performance wise, i think the Neon is just the best deal you can get...PERFORMANCE WISE only though...
in terms of looks, build, quality and all that, that's a different story, which is pretty much why i want to get an MSP.
but if all you're really wanting is performance then i say the Neon is the way to go.
BTW, i'm not a Neon owner and i am not comparing the two being that neither car has even touched our asphalt. just stating the obvious from the confirmed specs.
tritonheat1 said:The Neon SR-T Vs. Mazdaspeed Protege is not even a comparison in looks, Style, Ride, handling, and Reliability. but the performance is a different subject. But mazda wins overallexcept kinda of the performance
take a look
2003 Dodge Neon SR-T
Supercharged,
208Hp@
220lb-fts@
0-60mph in just barely 6.0sec as claimed, and i think that's Protoytype not sure.
2003 Mazdaspeed Protege
Turbocharged
170Hp@
160lb-fts@
0-60mph tested Independent stats returned 6.5-6.8sec and quarter mile times at 14.9@93.18mph.- 15.3@93mph
208
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=38 more horses Neon has advantage over the MSP
220
-160
=60 lb-fts more torque than the MSP and take a look at the #'s
Neon 0-60....6.0sec
MSP 0-60....6.5-6.8sec
All that hp and torque and this is the numbers that give the SR-T over the MSP that's pretty damm Shi**y for the SR-T and if you take a look at the Civic Si Vs. Protege MP3
Civic SI
160HP VTEC
111lb-fts
Protege MP3
140hp
142lb-fts
Civic Si 0-60mph in 7.2sec
Protege Mp3 0-60mph....8.3sec that gives the Si a 1.1 sec faster to 60mph over the MP3 and the SRT neon only gets a .5-.8sec faster to 60 over the MSP plus the Civic Si only has 20more horses than the MP3 and -31 lb-fts than the MP3. So i say that the MSP has a chance against the Neon SRT in performance wise, but overall the MSP wins hands Down(boobs)
Dodge Neon SRT(piss)
Mazdaspeed Protege(drinks)
btw, time decreases are not directly proportional to the amount of hp (all else equal)
