Blackout Window Tint Safe?

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There seems to be a high level of safety recommendations coming up lately -- One which I cant say how many states allow fully -- Is black out window tinting on the front drivers and front passenger windows.

You might say -- how is that a safety concern ? Well - I often look for cues from the drivers on other vehicles as to what their intentions are - but not knowing at all seems to be a hindrance - I will often waive others ahead if theres any doubt as to who goes first at a 4 way stop - . Trust me - other drivers always see my hand gestures on the dash - Im not sure the advantage of a full black out is - but even a high level tint can obscure communication- Is the other driver on the phone ? Reaching into the back -- or what ?

It may be petty but - hey an accident is an accident - anyone have an opinion?
 

In the U.S., nearly all of the states have minimum-light-transmission limits. Except for NJ, which apparently outlaws front side window tint of any sort.

The states that require a given minimum amount of visible light transmission (VLT) generally allow darker tint on the rear side windows and the back window.

In my own state, it's unlawful to have front window tinting below the manufacturer's cutoff line (the topmost ~4-5" portion of the windshield). Front side windows are lawfully allowed to be tinted but with a minimum VLT, whereas rear side windows and the rear window can allow half that VLT through (much darker).

While I appreciate the improved communication that actually seeing others' hand signals, most people simply don't use them. The few of us old enough to be taught hand signaling were taught that it's visible if done outside the window so the person is assured of seeing the signal. Inside, particularly with any tinting whatsoever, particularly in certain light conditions, it's a crap shoot as to whether anybody sees inside-the-car hand signaling.

I have front side window tinting. And rear side window tinting at half the VLT required for the front side windows. And rear window tinting. It all but blocks any in-the-car hand motions I might do. If I want to rely upon hand signals, I'll roll the window down.

For me, here's how I approach an intersection or situation requiring negotiation/navigation between two different vehicles. Use a rational speed for the situation; ie, obviously at a traffic stop ensure I stop, ensure I triple-check (when it's my time to go) that it's safe to do so; ensure via my knowledge of what the other car is doing and my initial speed that there isn't a close call or crash. In cruddy weather, I've occasionally rolled the window down to add to my lights in order to signal via hand, but that's rare. But then, I was raised in a place where there were few larger roadways, only certain roads with traffic lights, and many uncontrolled intersections. Even then, people almost never used hand signals; they relied on following the "basic speed law" for the conditions, rational speeds when others were around or when at an intersection, and always triple-checking instead of assuming right-of-way. Tinting doesn't have much to do with it, really.

Anymore, tinting seems so commonplace that I seriously doubt any but a vanishingly small percentage of people rely upon seeing another driver's hand signaling inside the car. I'm sure some other drivers have tried to signal that way to me, but darned if I can see what they're doing in there.

Can't say what others are thinking. I cannot recall having had a conversation with friends or family about how to handle intersections, uncontrolled stops, 'accident' situations and the like.

JMO
 
There seems to be a high level of safety recommendations coming up lately -- One which I cant say how many states allow fully -- Is black out window tinting on the front drivers and front passenger windows.
In my state, 35% tint for a 27% total transmission (factoring in the factory tint) is the lowest legal limit.

It's what I've always run, looks great, and with a QUALITY IR rejecting tint, it's the only thing that's truly needed.

The reason I stick with legal is twofold.
1. I do like to be able to see out of my car.
2. I don't like giving cops any excuse to hassle me.
 
What I have noriced is that very high quality tint have great visibility even at darker settings.
Problem is those are very expensive and most cars dont get it.

I had a car where the previous owner put cheap film on rear glass and it was terrible visibility at night.
 
I really want Xpel XR Black but it seems like the only installer for it is an hour away from me and logistically would be kind of ridiculous to make a trip just for that.

I can get Global here which is considered to be good stuff, however the Xpel has a more neutral gray color and the tint levels that I want.
 
Yea Xpel is very good one. I put the prime plus on my latest CX5 and very happy with it. Perfect visibility and great Infrared rejection.
 
Did you notice the blue tint of the prime plus? That's the reason I want the XR Black...I'm picky.
 
I read about the blue shade . It is not black black yes. May be some shade of blue-ish or grey-ish for sure.
 
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Blackout is one thing, tinting is another.

Which are you talking about?

An acquaintance of mine, who has his windows tinted very darkly, asked me the other day why I never wave at him when he drives by me and waves. Not being totally familiar with what car he drives, I didn't recognize it as being his. I told him that I can't see him waving because his tint is so dark. He didn't seem to get it.
 
Blackout is one thing, tinting is another.

Which are you talking about?

An acquaintance of mine, who has his windows tinted very darkly, asked me the other day why I never wave at him when he drives by me and waves. Not being totally familiar with what car he drives, I didn't recognize it as being his. I told him that I can't see him waving because his tint is so dark. He didn't seem to get it.
Hilarious. He has "limo tint" and thinks you can see through it?

What irks me is that police cars often have complete blackout tinting here in Georgia (can't see inside the car at all), but there is a limit of 32% for the rest of us commoners. Never understood how its ok for cops to break the law.
 
I would guess the same way they got lights and sirens and we dont. Private and commercial vehicles have more restrictions vs government ones.
 
Lights and sirens are a little different IMHO. I understand we can have lights on our cars, but not blue ones. Tinting isn't really different and I don't believe there are different regs for commercial and private vehicles as far as it is concerned. They just do it because who has the power to check their tint? Kind of like them speeding for no reason and with no lights, or sirens on.
 
Speaking of lights...

We just got back from a wedding in the Clarksville, TN area. We spent four days down there.

I had no idea that it was a THING, and legal, to put these ridiculous LEDs in the wheel wells and/or on the rims themselves on these jacked up and deleted pickup trucks, most of them diesels. So stupid and sissified, in my opinion. Multiple colors too.

We were on our way to the wedding and got behind one of these guys. The idiot decided to 'roll coal' onto us for no reason what-so-ever. I could hear his turbo spooling up and knew what he was about to do each time. WTF? Asshole!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

There should be nationwide emissions testing. IMO. Can't pass emissions? You don't drive that POS.
 
Seems a thing all over the states where Trucks dominate. I have seen the same in Nevada, California, Texas and Arizona.
I am used to the blinding leds all over but the worst are those that also mess with emissions systems and produce huge smoke clouds of diesel fumes when accelerating.

dont think its legall but lack of control by the local authorities.
 

In the U.S., nearly all of the states have minimum-light-transmission limits. Except for NJ, which apparently outlaws front side window tint of any sort.

The states that require a given minimum amount of visible light transmission (VLT) generally allow darker tint on the rear side windows and the back window.

In my own state, it's unlawful to have front window tinting below the manufacturer's cutoff line (the topmost ~4-5" portion of the windshield). Front side windows are lawfully allowed to be tinted but with a minimum VLT, whereas rear side windows and the rear window can allow half that VLT through (much darker).

While I appreciate the improved communication that actually seeing others' hand signals, most people simply don't use them. The few of us old enough to be taught hand signaling were taught that it's visible if done outside the window so the person is assured of seeing the signal. Inside, particularly with any tinting whatsoever, particularly in certain light conditions, it's a crap shoot as to whether anybody sees inside-the-car hand signaling.

I have front side window tinting. And rear side window tinting at half the VLT required for the front side windows. And rear window tinting. It all but blocks any in-the-car hand motions I might do. If I want to rely upon hand signals, I'll roll the window down.

For me, here's how I approach an intersection or situation requiring negotiation/navigation between two different vehicles. Use a rational speed for the situation; ie, obviously at a traffic stop ensure I stop, ensure I triple-check (when it's my time to go) that it's safe to do so; ensure via my knowledge of what the other car is doing and my initial speed that there isn't a close call or crash. In cruddy weather, I've occasionally rolled the window down to add to my lights in order to signal via hand, but that's rare. But then, I was raised in a place where there were few larger roadways, only certain roads with traffic lights, and many uncontrolled intersections. Even then, people almost never used hand signals; they relied on following the "basic speed law" for the conditions, rational speeds when others were around or when at an intersection, and always triple-checking instead of assuming right-of-way. Tinting doesn't have much to do with it, really.

Anymore, tinting seems so commonplace that I seriously doubt any but a vanishingly small percentage of people rely upon seeing another driver's hand signaling inside the car. I'm sure some other drivers have tried to signal that way to me, but darned if I can see what they're doing in there.

Can't say what others are thinking. I cannot recall having had a conversation with friends or family about how to handle intersections, uncontrolled stops, 'accident' situations and the like.

JMO
Drive thru Arizona - then get back to me
 

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