redrocketz
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that's what I did but it was a Lightning MAF. oh and a 150 direct port kit.
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that's what I did but it was a Lightning MAF. oh and a 150 direct port kit.
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- 2002 BJFW, 2007 BK3P, 1979 SA22C, 2005 BK3P
the manifold yields good numbers on its own. it would make no sense to test parts only on cars that run aftermarket engine management systems. if we dynoed gains of the manifold only after we had tuned for the manifold, people would call BS on the results and on the method. its pretty much standard to test the individual gains of a product on a car that is mostly stock or stock.
exactly.... if that was done you would never be able to show what the part itself did. where did the power come from ??? was it the manifold or the tune ?? it just doesnt work that way. and that is exactly why i pointed that out about the AP. the dyno numbers they show on "staged cars" is not a very accurate way to sell the product. sure the car gained 30HP/30TQ but from what ?? i would love to see what the car did with all the bolts on's and no AP. then tune it. my bet is there is very little power differnce from the AP itself. what AP is good at is getting rid of lean spots during spool up that is common with exhaust mods.
SilverWagon
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Piggy Backs and this car don't work. Procede just tuned a ms6, went zoom zoom BOOM ont he way home. Ill take a reflash over a piggy back anytime(chair)
700 bucks to get rid of throttle control, set a steady boost, and not worry about the stock ecu constantly fighting piggyback systems is worth it for me.
700 bucks to get rid of throttle control, set a steady boost, and not worry about the stock ecu constantly fighting piggyback systems is worth it for me.
Why not put it on a stock car, dyno it, get a number,,,,then tune for it. You have two plots to show people then, untuned, and tuned. Seems simple to me.
i give up.
mrlilguy157
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lol i wouldn't take it that far. ill feel comfy at 350-380whp on stock ECU, but upping the boost past 18psi on my 3071r, "forget about it!"
i'm waiting for a REAL, NATIVE, tuning solution.
redrocketz
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yeah I had mine recalibrated also. pretty cheap to do actually.
Hell ya throttle plate control would be a good thing. That and launch control would be my autocross dream. Second gear isn't long enough for most courses. You hit a wall around 40-45 mph. Here is a pic of WOT in second @~5100rpm. Too weak.
Wheel spin wouldn't be any more of a problem since you are still making the same power down low since HP is dependent on RPM. The only throttle control I need is my foot.
Wheel spin wouldn't be any more of a problem since you are still making the same power down low since HP is dependent on RPM. The only throttle control I need is my foot.
redrocketz
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Piggy back and big turbo for 10K+ miles now and no boom it's all about the tuner.
mazdaspeedjay
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i've already placed my order from my local cobb dealer just waiting for the damn thing. one of the big things leaning me towards cobb is that A it's a reflash and B no cutting sodering or splicing involved. don't like it or want to go back to stock just plug the thing up and up load the stock tune. i can't wait i just wish they weren't taking so long. AND YES the above is right the tuner does make a big difference i've seen my fair share of maps tuned from people that supposely knew what they were doing.
True story my friends project drag car ( i don't need to say what kind of car it was cause it shouldn't matter ) was taken so a so called tuner. they dyno'd it put 320whp we picked up the car and it ran like crap broke up horribel down the track and ran a terrible 1/4 mile time. I was busy with my own projects but just took a quick look at the map and could see it was ****** up. i didn't have time to tune it for him so we called the stand alone company and asked around found a very well know tuner that was a 1 hour and 45 minutes away. we pick up the car again and now was at alittle over 400 whp and ran almost 2 full seconds faster in the 1\4 and did not brake up once down the track this was on the same boost level same car nothing was changed except the tune on the car and person tuning it. the person tuning can make a world of difference.
True story my friends project drag car ( i don't need to say what kind of car it was cause it shouldn't matter ) was taken so a so called tuner. they dyno'd it put 320whp we picked up the car and it ran like crap broke up horribel down the track and ran a terrible 1/4 mile time. I was busy with my own projects but just took a quick look at the map and could see it was ****** up. i didn't have time to tune it for him so we called the stand alone company and asked around found a very well know tuner that was a 1 hour and 45 minutes away. we pick up the car again and now was at alittle over 400 whp and ran almost 2 full seconds faster in the 1\4 and did not brake up once down the track this was on the same boost level same car nothing was changed except the tune on the car and person tuning it. the person tuning can make a world of difference.
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Yes the Turbo's efficiency map shows it's limits and to effectively run higher rpms we need to look at stepping up . But this control over throttle will still need to be addressed. I agree that the little fella is designed as a daily driver with good fun mixed in.
Yes the Turbo's efficiency map shows it's limits and to effectively run higher rpms we need to look at stepping up . But this control over throttle will still need to be addressed. I agree that the little fella is designed as a daily driver with good fun mixed in.
MSCAI is my only power mod. From what I remember when taking the pic it was pretty flat road as well.
I think I will wait for people to start buying before I put my money down. Unless there is a sweet GB then I won't be able to resist
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pretty sure it wont
i think the ap is not for everyone, i think there are some of us that would be content with a driveable car that puts down 260-300hp to the tires and that most of the gadgetry assisted controls take a nap so the car feels consistent. and i think there are those of us who want to push the envelope to see how much power can be made from this engine/turbo combination and the ap might be too sedate for such lofty goals. I believe Cobb targets customers that are not into the too-radical side of tuning. For myself , this car is the only one I drive right now, in the past I have always driven an import as a daily and a musclecar for either weekends or when i feel like it so making sure it doesnt blow up on me is a priority , and if that means getting smoked at a green light by a speed 3 running 20psi with all the goodies then so be it. Plenty of slower cars out there anyways.
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