Another Engine goes Boom

[ForceFed]

talking to yourself lately??? (peep)

Yeah...The kicker is I answer myself as well.(shocked)
Matt

 

[CatD399]

Yeah...The kicker is I answer myself as well.(shocked)
Matt

lost any arguments yet?!!!

 

[mp5jeff]

well, technically, he would be winning the arguement also wouldn't he?

 

[ForceFed]

well, technically, he would be winning the arguement also wouldn't he?

What are you talking about?
I don't know?
What do you mean you don't know!
Don't get loud with me!
Why not?
You have no reason ,you are in the wrong!
No I'm not!
Yes you are!
OMFG!
Its a win win situation.Or not?
Hell i don't know.
Matt

 

[CatD399]

well, technically, he would be winning the arguement also wouldn't he?

not sure.....needs a bit of (coffee)

 

[Dexter]

i hope you didnt sign an arbitration agreement. Because if you did you cant take them to court. It will cost you 3500 in arbitration fees alone if you did sign that agreement.

Any repair over 2K the dealer has to get mazda regional involved. The regional rep has to ok the work if it is over 2K worth. Beleive me, if the regional rep sees mods on your car, or talks to the service manager and he tells him that you had mods on, you are SOL.

Could be mazdas fault, but you went against the rules. You modded and they can **** you no matter what.

If you signed an arbitration agreement, you might as well give up now. Save the money for the lawyer etc and just build your motor.

-B

blah blah blah blah

if the guy wants to fight the man, let him fight the man with his own battles. your entire 'high and mighy-i'm so experienced' attitude in this thread is really annoying...

 

[mspdfreak]

Its amazing how a limited production car has so many damn problems

Uhhh...that's the point!

 

[mp5jeff]

maybe thats why it's limited, so they don't lose to much money replacing s***? lol

 

[mspdfreak]

What amazes me is that with all these posts about blown modded motors and problems with the dealers that people STILL keep trying to crank more power out of a motor that obviously was not made for it. Be happy with what you bought, folks. It's a good car right from the factory. If you wanted more power, why in the hell did you buy it in the first place? I mean, I knew it was 170hp before I even saw one in person. I drove it, was satisfied with it's performance, so I bought it. No mods, and guess what? No problems.

 

[mspdfreak]

maybe thats why it's limited, so they don't lose to much money replacing s***? lol

It's limited because they were trying to gauge interest in a relatively cheap, sporty car to appeal to the younger market. They knew '03 would be the last year for the protege. They will take this information to use in deciding whether or not to go full-bore with a similar car in the future. Perhaps with the "3".

 

[msubullyfan]

well Saturday night i started to leave my friends and as i accelerated i heard a horrible knock. It was extremely inconsistent but completely obvious. It sounds like its coming from the #1 cylinder....Which is amazingly the same one that was flooded with gasoline last month when my PCM went haywire! My only guess is that a tensioner on the timing chain has broke loose and the chain is loose and rattling or its pistonslap. It does not make a noise during idle but when revved to about 3k it begins to kick in. Im calling Mazda corporate tomorrow to check on the lemon law because of all the problems ive had with my car.

I wouldn't reccomend calling Mazda to ask about the Illinois lemon laws. You could serve yourself well by knowing exactly what it says if you call them. Here's the full text of the IL lemon law...

I highlighted a couple of points in the law that are of interest here... most notably the statement that "unathorized modifications" are a valid defense to this law, meaning that Mazda could possibly use that alone to get out of a lemon claim.

Also, there's a section requiring a dispute resolution process (read: arbitration) before any legal action can be taken. Arbitration clauses do not forfeit your rights under lemon law statues -- they only require you to go through the arbitration process before taking further action.

And by they way -- lotsa luck!

Illinois Lemon Law
815 ILCS 380/1

Sec. 1. This Act shall be known and may be cited as the New Vehicle Buyer Protection Act.
(Source: P.A. 85-1350.)

815 ILCS 380/2

Sec. 2. Definitions. For the purposes of this Act, the following words have the meanings ascribed to them in this Section.
(a) "Consumer" means an individual who purchases or leases for a period of at least one year a new vehicle from the seller for the purposes of transporting himself and others, as well as their personal property, for primarily personal, household or family purposes.
(b) "Express warranty" has the same meaning, for the purposes of this Act, as it has for the purposes of the Uniform Commercial Code.
(c) "New vehicle" means a passenger car, as defined in Section 1-157 of The Illinois Vehicle Code, a motor vehicle of the Second Division having a weight of under 8,000 pounds, as defined in Section 1-146 of that Code, and a recreational vehicle, except for a camping trailer or travel trailer that does not qualify under the definition of a used motor vehicle, as set forth in Section 1-216 of that Code.
(d) "Nonconformity" refers to a new vehicle's failure to conform to all express warranties applicable to such vehicle, which failure substantially impairs the use, market value or safety of that vehicle.
(e) "Seller" means the manufacturer of a new vehicle, that
manufacturer's agent or distributor or that manufacturer's authorized dealer. "Seller" also means, with respect to a new vehicle which is also a modified vehicle, as defined in Section 1-144.1 of The Illinois Vehicle Code, as now or hereafter amended, the person who modified the vehicle and that person's agent or distributor or that person's
authorized dealer. "Seller" also means, with respect to leased new vehicles, the manufacturer, that manufacturer's agent or distributor or that manufacturer's dealer, who transfers the right to possession and use of goods under a lease.
(f) "Statutory warranty period" means the period of one year or 12,000 miles, whichever occurs first after the date of the delivery of a new vehicle to the consumer who purchased or leased it.
(g) "Lease cost" includes deposits, fees, taxes, down payments, periodic payments, and any other amount paid to a seller by a consumer in connection with the lease of a new vehicle.
(Source: P.A. 89-375, eff. 8-18-95.)

815 ILCS 380/3

Sec. 3. Failure of vehicle to conform; remedies; presumptions.
(a) If after a reasonable number of attempts the seller is unable to conform the new vehicle to any of its applicable express warranties, the manufacturer shall either provide the consumer with a new vehicle of like model line, if available, or otherwise a comparable motor vehicle as a replacement, or accept the return of the vehicle from the consumer and refund to the consumer the full purchase price or lease cost of the new vehicle, including all collateral charges, less a reasonable allowance for consumer use of the vehicle. For purposes of this Section, "collateral charges" does not include taxes paid by the
purchaser on the initial purchase of the new vehicle. The retailer who initially sold the vehicle may file a claim for credit for taxes paid pursuant to the terms of Sections 6, 6a, 6b, and 6c of the Retailers' Occupation Tax Act. Should the vehicle be converted, modified or altered in a way other than the manufacturer's original design, the
party which performed the conversion or modification shall be liable under the provisions of this Act, provided the part or parts causing the vehicle not to perform according to its warranty were altered or modified.
(b) A presumption that a reasonable number of attempts have been undertaken to conform a new vehicle to its express warranties shall arise where, within the statutory warranty period,
(1) the same nonconformity has been subject to repair by the seller, its agents or authorized dealers during the statutory warranty period, 4 or more times, and such nonconformity continues to exist; or
(2) the vehicle has been out of service by reason of repair of nonconformities for a total of 30 or more business days during the statutory warranty period.
(c) A reasonable allowance for consumer use of a vehicle is that amount directly attributable to the wear and tear incurred by the new vehicle as a result of its having been used prior to the first report of a nonconformity to the seller, and during any subsequent period in which it is not out of service by reason of repair.
(d) The fact that a new vehicle's failure to conform to an express warranty is the result of abuse, neglect or unauthorized modifications or alterations is an affirmative defense to claims brought under this Act.
(e) The statutory warranty period of a new vehicle shall be suspended for any period of time during which repair services are not available to the consumer because of a war, invasion or strike, or a fire, flood or other natural disaster.
(f) Refunds made pursuant to this Act shall be made to the consumer, and lien holder if any exists, as their respective interests appear.
(g) For the purposes of this Act, a manufacturer sells a new vehicle to a consumer when he provides that consumer with a replacement vehicle pursuant to subsection (a).
(h) In no event shall the presumption herein provided apply against a manufacturer, his agent, distributor or dealer unless the manufacturer has received prior direct written notification from or on behalf of the consumer, and has an opportunity to correct the alleged defect.
(Source: P.A. 89-359, eff. 8-17-95; 89-375, eff. 8-18-95; 89-626, eff.
8-9-96.)

815 ILCS 380/4

Sec. 4. (a) The provisions of subsection (a) of Section 3 shall not apply unless the consumer has first resorted to an informal settlement procedure applicable to disputes to which that subsection would apply where
(1) The manufacturer of the new vehicle has established such a procedure;
(2) The procedure conforms:
(i) substantially with the provisions of Title 16, Code of Federal Regulation, Part 703, as from time to time amended, and (ii) to the requirements of subsection (c); and
(3) The consumer has received from the seller adequate written notice of the existence of the procedure.
Adequate written notice includes but is not limited to the
incorporation of the informal dispute settlement procedure into the terms of the written warranty to which the vehicle does not conform.
(b) If the consumer is dissatisfied with the decision reached in an informal dispute settlement procedure or the results of such a decision, he may bring a civil action to enforce his rights under subsection (a) of Section 3. The decision reached in the informal dispute settlement procedure is admissible in such a civil action. The period of
limitations for a civil action to enforce a consumer's rights or remedies under subsection (a) of Section 3 shall be extended for a period equal to the number of days the subject matter of the civil action was pending in the informal dispute settlement procedure.
(c) A disclosure of the decision in an informal dispute settlement procedure shall include notice to the consumer of the provisions of subsection (b).
(Source: P.A. 85-1350.)

815 ILCS 380/5

Sec. 5. Persons electing to proceed and settle under this Act shall be barred from a separate cause of action under the Uniform Commercial Code.
(Source: P.A. 85-1350.)

815 ILCS 380/6

Sec. 6. Any action brought under this Act shall be commenced within eighteen months following the date of original delivery of the motor vehicle to the consumer.
(Source: P.A. 83-768.)

815 ILCS 380/7

Sec. 7. The seller who sells a new vehicle to a consumer, shall, upon delivery of that vehicle to the consumer, provide the consumer with a written statement clearly and conspicuously setting forth in full detail the consumer's rights under subsection (a) of Section 3, and the
presumptions created by subsection (b) of that Section.
(Source: P.A. 85-1350.)

815 ILCS 380/8

Sec. 8. This Act shall apply to motor vehicles beginning with the
model year following the effective date of this Act.
(Source: P.A. 83-768.)

 

[MSPinVA]

But look at the last sentence of section (a)..

"Should the vehicle be converted, modified or altered in a way other than the manufacturer's original design (read: mods), the party which performed the conversion or modification shall be liable under the provisions of this Act, provided the part or parts causing the vehicle not to perform according to its warranty were altered or modified."

If he can prove that what he's done is not responsible for the failure, then he's won. It's black and white, right there.

 

[boostisgood]

Spun Crank Bearing. I garuntee thats what ya go bro. And no, a frikin FMIC will not spin a crank bearing. These engines are junk, Mazda sucks ass, and I cannot frikin wait to get rid of my POS Mazdacrap.

 

[mspdfreak]

Just find a nice, stout tree and hit it at about 80mph. Problem sokved.

 

[jersey_emt]

Good luck dealing with Mazda...please keep us updated.

 

[mazdaowner123]

good luck, let us know what they say the problem is. what exactly happens? anytime you rev over 3 you get a weird noise? I sometimes get a little popping noise from the exhaust if i rev to 3 and let the revs drop to 2 then give it gas, or sometimes driving in the 2-3k range. maybe i'll take the car in, still stock right now.

~brian

 

[MazdaSpeeder00]

Well im calling them in about 15 minutes.

And for those who keep accusing me of modding the hell out of my car...SHUT THE HELL UP... I have not modded the hell out of my car and id be lucky to have seen a gain of 10hp total.

Im not pushing for a new car. Im just taking the initiative. If i win great.. If i lose....I wont just accept it.

For those whove been full of help....Thank you very much. Im getting in the shower lol

 

[LinuxRacr]

Yep, sounds like a rod bearing. Could be any number of things, but that's my first guess. If that's what it is, find out if it was the upper half of the bearing. If you're getting detonation, the upper half takes the brunt of it.

This is exactly what it sounds like. I had the same problem before when my 2nd engine ran low on oil on morning. It only knock-clicked between 2800 and 4000 RPM.

 

[ThrillRide]

blah blah blah blah

if the guy wants to fight the man, let him fight the man with his own battles. your entire 'high and mighy-i'm so experienced' attitude in this thread is really annoying...

I'm glad someone else pointed out that this dude is a freaking numbnuts. take the nagativity elsewhere.

sorry bout your probelms mazdaspeeder00. keep us up to date. i too will be getting rid of this wanna be car with lemon law soon.

 

[LinuxRacr]

Spun Crank Bearing. I garuntee thats what ya go bro. And no, a frikin FMIC will not spin a crank bearing. These engines are junk, Mazda sucks ass, and I cannot frikin wait to get rid of my POS Mazdacrap.

This is what I'm thinking as well.