Acura TSX vs. Mazda 6 (V6)

[Replica]

Im not sure why anyone would want a 6. At anyrate, enjoy that bitchin' aftermarket support for the 6! haha

 

[Mikey444]

Im not sure why anyone would want a 6. At anyrate, enjoy that bitchin' aftermarket support for the 6! haha

Whatever, I dont even understand what the hell it is you are trying to tell me (braindead

 

[Replica]

My point is, the support for the K-series Honda motors is HUGE compared to the reworked taurus motor that's in the Mazda6's. As they sit stock, I don't think the 6 is worth the price. I've driven a few at Mazda Rev-it up and it's a nice car, just not 20k nice. There is ALOT of competition in that price range from the RSX-S to a WRX.

 

[ashutoshsm]

Ha Ha @ Replica.

Too many problems with your post and your interpretations/insinuations. Where do I even begin?

- MOST owners want a car that is fun to drive, stock, and doesn't cost an arm and a couple of legs. The 6 delivers, the TSX doesn't
- The RSX-S and WRX are small, cramped econoboxes. Pointless to bring them into THIS comparison. In a raw performance-only comparison, that's for a different thread ...
- The motor is not a reworked Taurus motor, as muchas you want to claim that. The engine block (big chunky lump of metal - Aluminium in this case) is the same as the 3.0 Taurus Duratec (which, incidentally, is Ford's most reliable engine ever), and the entire head, with variable timing and lots of other goodies, is Mazda-designed. In my book - that alone makes it a Mazda engine. Or a Mazda take on a good workhorse engine that is good enough for a Jaguar!

Your implication by support is that numerous easy steps to drastically improve the K series engine's performance are available. Untrue. Any mods that result in serious improvement require lots of work, as is the case in the 6. Availability is higher for Honda vehicles (all those sheep buying them and being dissatisfied with the stock performance, must help!), but it isn't lacking (for the 6) either. With headers, exhausts, AEM and other plug-in chips, MAF management systems, CAIs, valves/cams, LSD and a frikkin' twin turbo for the V6 (and a rumored turbo kit or two for the 6i) either already available or mere weeks away from availability, the 6 owner is not lacking in the availability of options. If ALL these parts were to be added to a 6, I'd call that owner quite stupid to not have bought a pricier car with many of these options/features available as stock, and build up from there instead! So its already overkill!

And don't debase yourself by bringing body kits, dahs gauges and interior trim crap into this discussion. I don't give a flying ^%^&^ about those!

The aftermarket is realizing that it pays to develop parts for a package that is already good from the factory, even with a smaller market! 'Other' marques require way more work to approach the ocombined level of refinement and performance, while satisfying the same expectations put forth by the typical 6 owner!

 

[Replica]

Ha Ha @ Replica.

Too many problems with your post and your interpretations/insinuations. Where do I even begin?

- MOST owners want a car that is fun to drive, stock, and doesn't cost an arm and a couple of legs. The 6 delivers, the TSX doesn't
- The RSX-S and WRX are small, cramped econoboxes. Pointless to bring them into THIS comparison. In a raw performance-only comparison, that's for a different thread ...
- The motor is not a reworked Taurus motor, as muchas you want to claim that. The engine block (big chunky lump of metal - Aluminium in this case) is the same as the 3.0 Taurus Duratec (which, incidentally, is Ford's most reliable engine ever), and the entire head, with variable timing and lots of other goodies, is Mazda-designed. In my book - that alone makes it a Mazda engine. Or a Mazda take on a good workhorse engine that is good enough for a Jaguar!

Your implication by support is that numerous easy steps to drastically improve the K series engine's performance are available. Untrue. Any mods that result in serious improvement require lots of work, as is the case in the 6. Availability is higher for Honda vehicles (all those sheep buying them and being dissatisfied with the stock performance, must help!), but it isn't lacking (for the 6) either. With headers, exhausts, AEM and other plug-in chips, MAF management systems, CAIs, valves/cams, LSD and a frikkin' twin turbo for the V6 (and a rumored turbo kit or two for the 6i) either already available or mere weeks away from availability, the 6 owner is not lacking in the availability of options. If ALL these parts were to be added to a 6, I'd call that owner quite stupid to not have bought a pricier car with many of these options/features available as stock, and build up from there instead! So its already overkill!

And don't debase yourself by bringing body kits, dahs gauges and interior trim crap into this discussion. I don't give a flying ^%^&^ about those!

The aftermarket is realizing that it pays to develop parts for a package that is already good from the factory, even with a smaller market! 'Other' marques require way more work to approach the ocombined level of refinement and performance, while satisfying the same expectations put forth by the typical 6 owner!

I"m glad you're happy with your 6. However I didn't imply that the mods are "easy" for K series motors. With K series motors, there's cams, internals, multiple turbo kits, a roots blower and tons of suspensions stuff. I also don't understand how a 4 door sedan (WRX) isn't comparible to another 4 door sedan (6). If you really think the aftermarket is going to be as overwhelming as you say it is, then good luck on the wait. The K-series market is already here. I don't really understand the "sheep" comment, as the 6's are probably outselling the TSX. (crazy)

 

[timba24]

what does the suspension have to do with the k series motor um lets see nothing you were talking about a motor not a suspenion there are also plenty of suspenion mods out there that ashu didnt mention

 

[Da 6]

Yay HONDAH(yupnope) (chair) (laugh) (mswerd) I had the opportunity to buy a civic....but I got a almost base model neon instead. I like to be difrent. in a 45 minute drive how many hondahs do you see and hear? 1 too many(jerkit) I seen some nicely done ones but the fugly ones outweigh those. If you want a car just cause it has more aftermarket then go head...the dodge neon, heavy cavalier and ford fuckedus have more aftermarket than a 6 so that makes them better than us too.

 

[Replica]

what does the suspension have to do with the k series motor um lets see nothing you were talking about a motor not a suspenion there are also plenty of suspenion mods out there that ashu didnt mention

I was generalizing to save time. My response was directed at the TSX and K series motor. There are tons of suspension mods but I'm not going to research all of that stuff with a group of people that clearly favor the Mazda 6.

 

[timba24]

yes we clearly favor the mazda6 as you clearly favor the k series motor but hey good for you. as suspension mods for the 6 they range quite widely we have KW coilovers and tein to be released in a bit also have eibach, racinbeat, tanabe, h&8, sprint springs we have shocks from koni we have brake kits from many people so with you saying there is no aftermarket for the 6 you are wrong there is a very good growing aftermarket you have to realize the K series has been around where as the V6 duratec is new to the import scene

 

[Replica]

yes we clearly favor the mazda6 as you clearly favor the k series motor but hey good for you. as suspension mods for the 6 they range quite widely we have KW coilovers and tein to be released in a bit also have eibach, racinbeat, tanabe, h&8, sprint springs we have shocks from koni we have brake kits from many people so with you saying there is no aftermarket for the 6 you are wrong there is a very good growing aftermarket you have to realize the K series has been around where as the V6 duratec is new to the import scene

The Duratec has been around since 1996.
http://www.edmunds.com/reviews/generations/articles/46007/article.html

 

[timba24]

I wasnt saying the duratec is a new engine hell I know its not I had an escape with the same damn engine in it I am saying its pretty new to the import scene as in this is the first time in a mazda besides the tribute learn how to read a whole post (chair)

 

[Replica]

I wasnt saying the duratec is a new engine hell I know its not I had an escape with the same damn engine in it I am saying its pretty new to the import scene as in this is the first time in a mazda besides the tribute learn how to read a whole post (chair)

I read the whole post. You're saying the Duratec is new to the import scene, what that has to do with it still being in existance for many years before being used in an "Import" and still not really having an aftermarket is my point. Why weren't there aftermarket parts made for these motors before the 6? Why would it change now? I know Hi-boost is working on a kit, but I think it's for the 4 cyl....and it's one kit. It's the same as the FS-DE's, the motor has been around since probably the 80's and there still aren't a ton of aftermarket options.

 

[timba24]

well its simple the wasnt a huge following of the contours or other cars but people still modded the hell out of those and now that the engine is in a car that the masses will want the aftermarket is picking up and most of the after market parts from the older ford cars wouldnt even help out in the case of the 6 since the only thing the same is the block he 6 has mazda VVT and a new can computer. Yes hi-boost is making one for the 6i and greddy is making one for the S and the I.

 

[Jenna]

well its simple the wasnt a huge following of the contours or other cars but people still modded the hell out of those and now that the engine is in a car that the masses will want the aftermarket is picking up and most of the after market parts from the older ford cars wouldnt even help out in the case of the 6 since the only thing the same is the block he 6 has mazda VVT and a new can computer. Yes hi-boost is making one for the 6i and greddy is making one for the S and the I.

well said

 

[timba24]

well said

thank you (dance)

 

[BinaryRotary]

People like you are an embarrassment to Mazda owners. You are not allowed to drive a 6. SELL YOUR CAR IMMEDIATELY. Idiots are not allowed to own this fine automobile.

I don't have a 6 you moron. Before you say what I should sell, maybe you should know what I have n00b.

 

[BinaryRotary]

Duratec pride!

Your cars a Ford. Shut up.

 

[Da 6]

Your cars a Ford. Shut up.

You can stop reminding us. I'm debating on if I can get ahold of a jdm block if the time and effort is worth it...

 

[BinaryRotary]

You can stop reminding us. I'm debating on if I can get ahold of a jdm block if the time and effort is worth it...

There were NO problems EVER with the duratec blocks. The heads were s*** but the block is solid. No reason to be mad about having a Ford block.

 

[Da 6]

JDM 2.3 170 bhp.....