A thought - why is a CX-5 being compared to Jag, X5, etc.?

[bmninada]

Okay - 1st. off: I admit! I started that thread about Jag's F-Pace and CX-5. Then there's this X5 comparison to CX-5. In my defense however, I did make it clear: mine was a personal experience about F-Pace ++ the fact F-PACE is a different class of vehicle. I did see Macan also being compared.

I think the main reason being - all of these brands also market their own cars along the same mantra as Mazda's. In other words - amazing handling, road handling capabilities, safety features, etc. It just begs then to compare and determine if CX-5 is really the king here, leaving aside costs.

I checked various threads on CR-V and RAV-4 - such comparisons are far in-between. I see more with Mazda, although Mazda's CX-5 is hop in line with the RAVs and CR-Vs. Hell - even the Subaru's XT Forrester aren't compared that much.

Personally, I think CX-5, IN ITS SEGMENT beats all others in these above points. Here SEGMENT would be price (priority 2) in $25k to $34k, category (priority 1) : CUV and finally size of car (priority 3): 5 seater.
Serious competition if honoring the SEGMENT would be Subaru's XT and Nissan's Rogue.
Also again my personal opinion: if honoring the SEGMENT, I don't think there's ANY car other than Subaru's XT that match up to CX-5 in terms of the features listed above. So, folks are going 1-up, i.e. "Okay, can't find my sister here - but is she in the +$40k bracket? Whoa .. nope! What about $+50k? Yes - I do see her, yipee" (I admit: I am also at fault here - and yes: that's my reason)

Now - if 1 throws away the price and thus along with it the associated category - whether luxury or not: then of course the water runs deep and gets very subjective. Personally, if I indeed had the $$, I would go for Macan than X5 (sacrifice on size). F-PACE from my own experience is perhaps the best but if the latest news is all these NICHE players are now JUMPING into SUV/CUV segment. Hell - here's one if anyone fancies: http://www.bentleymotors.com/en/models/bentayga/bentayga.html

The moral here is simply: Mazda marketing their car as "Driving Matters" and folks are going zoom-zoom.... !!

 

[Unobtanium]

People cross-shop stratas for various reasons. The Zoom-zoom has won them at best, middle of the pack placement (ahead of Kia and Hyundai, but behind Subaru, Ford, GMC, Chrysler, Nissan, Chevrolet, and Toyota), in the CUV market, here in America. When they got the CX-5 to be competitive with other CUV's in the interior and NVH department, they shockingly had a massive sales spike (2016). So, no, "Zoom-Zoom" is not why it sells. It's likely why it DOESN'T.

The addition of the 2.5L saw a sales spike of around 29% or so, in 2014 (calendar year). While we are seeing a nearly 50% spike from the improvements of the 2016, even though it's slower (heavier).

This lends weight to the point that most CUV buyers, buy off of features and "nice" vs. "how hard can I hit the track in this thing?"

Basically, I think you're projecting, and you're being inaccurate. Sales figures prove this to be true, as other CUV's do seem to compete with it, within the CX-5's segment, and all of the CUV's you have mentioned dominate it.
http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2016/0...ver-sales-figures-december-2015-year-end.html

Also take into account the Ford Mustang GT and the new Camaro. The new Camaro absolutely slaughters the Mustang. In EVERY performance matrice. The base-model V8 camaro is literally as fast as the last year the Shelby GT500 was made, 0-60. Yet the mustang out-sells it.

There is more to a vehicle than just acceleration, braking, and cornering. Maybe not for you, but for most buyers, apparently so. Please note that the mustang is in its second year of re-design, while this year's Camaro is BRAND NEW. yet the Mustang is STILL outpacing it. That's epic dominance of a market segment, right there...and it's painfully worse at handling, braking, or going.
http://www.torquenews.com/106/mustang-wins-january-camaro-sales-remain-slow

When I cross-shopped the 370Z and Z06 corvette, I was drawn to the 370 for aesthetics, and interior. I ended up buying both vehicles, and enjoyed them both. The 370Z was a better buy that I was happier with, all except for the re-occurring brake issues, and alignment problems it kept having, along with a very poor rebound control dynamic. Without those two foibles, I'd say I liked it better without reservation. It was a much nicer car.

 

[bmninada]

People cross-shop stratas for various reasons. The Zoom-zoom has won them at best, middle of the pack placement (ahead of Kia and Hyundai, but behind Subaru, Ford, GMC, Chrysler, Nissan, Chevrolet, and Toyota), in the CUV market, here in America. When they got the CX-5 to be competitive with other CUV's in the interior and NVH department, they shockingly had a massive sales spike (2016). So, no, "Zoom-Zoom" is not why it sells. It's likely why it DOESN'T.

The addition of the 2.5L saw a sales spike of around 29% or so, in 2014 (calendar year). While we are seeing a nearly 50% spike from the improvements of the 2016, even though it's slower (heavier).

This lends weight to the point that most CUV buyers, buy off of features and "nice" vs. "how hard can I hit the track in this thing?"

Basically, I think you're projecting, and you're being inaccurate. Sales figures prove this to be true, as other CUV's do seem to compete with it, within the CX-5's segment, and all of the CUV's you have mentioned dominate it.
http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2016/0...ver-sales-figures-december-2015-year-end.html

Also take into account the Ford Mustang GT and the new Camaro. The new Camaro absolutely slaughters the Mustang. In EVERY performance matrice. The base-model V8 camaro is literally as fast as the last year the Shelby GT500 was made, 0-60. Yet the mustang out-sells it.

There is more to a vehicle than just acceleration, braking, and cornering. Maybe not for you, but for most buyers, apparently so. Please note that the mustang is in its second year of re-design, while this year's Camaro is BRAND NEW. yet the Mustang is STILL outpacing it. That's epic dominance of a market segment, right there...and it's painfully worse at handling, braking, or going.
http://www.torquenews.com/106/mustang-wins-january-camaro-sales-remain-slow

When I cross-shopped the 370Z and Z06 corvette, I was drawn to the 370 for aesthetics, and interior. I ended up buying both vehicles, and enjoyed them both. The 370Z was a better buy that I was happier with, all except for the re-occurring brake issues, and alignment problems it kept having, along with a very poor rebound control dynamic. Without those two foibles, I'd say I liked it better without reservation. It was a much nicer car.

I would like to make a few corrections here, otherwise this topic would sure veer off-topic. This thread is NOT about sales of CX-5 and nor is it about comparison with other models - like the way you've projected it. Rather, what I have attempted to project is the mental construct of various individuals (myself included) as to why anyone would attempt compare a CX-5 with BMWs, Jaguars, etc. I am attempting to approach the reasoning behind anyone who would want to compare these 2 rather different classes of vehicle.

Your response is more tuned towards a person who would purchase a vehicle potentially would opt for features first, looks second and thirdly the zoom-zoom factor. Sales, as you indicated along with other sales figures support that theory and to which I agree. However, there's still a niche where these priorities reverse itself, i.e. zoom-zoom factor gains priority over everything else along with good MPG of course. If I am asked to evaluate myself - I would perhaps fall into this category mainly stemming from the fact I had exhaustively evaluated cars but still ended up selecting CX-5 primarily for its zoom-zoom coupled with good MPG. It's another matter than the oft touted MPG figures I can't meet but that's a separate discussion altogether

 

[Unobtanium]

I would like to make a few corrections here, otherwise this topic would sure veer off-topic. This thread is NOT about sales of CX-5 and nor is it about comparison with other models - like the way you've projected it. Rather, what I have attempted to project is the mental construct of various individuals (myself included) as to why anyone would attempt compare a CX-5 with BMWs, Jaguars, etc. I am attempting to approach the reasoning behind anyone who would want to compare these 2 rather different classes of vehicle.

Your response is more tuned towards a person who would purchase a vehicle potentially would opt for features first, looks second and thirdly the zoom-zoom factor. Sales, as you indicated along with other sales figures support that theory and to which I agree. However, there's still a niche where these priorities reverse itself, i.e. zoom-zoom factor gains priority over everything else along with good MPG of course. If I am asked to evaluate myself - I would perhaps fall into this category mainly stemming from the fact I had exhaustively evaluated cars but still ended up selecting CX-5 primarily for its zoom-zoom coupled with good MPG. It's another matter than the oft touted MPG figures I can't meet but that's a separate discussion altogether

I think cost and D/I ratio that they wish to tie up in a vehicle is the only reason they would compare the CX5 to those other vehicles, honestly. It doesn't compete in any other sense aside gas mileage, and from what I'm seeing, it probably loses there, too. I average about 23mpg mostly highway. A far cry from the 26mpg I'm supposed to get, IMO. These little motors don't like the strain of pushing this thing at 80. But like you said, that's another story.

 

[Pototoy]

the CX5 compares really well with the 2nd gen HONDA FIT SPORT!

eyebrows will be raised but damn, I miss that little. Go test drive a used one

 

[Rarebit]

There's nothing wrong with cross shopping a Cx-5 with any car, as long as you realize that they'll be very different products and your own "utility function" is probably fairly unique. What's really behind such comparisons is more like "should I buy a sedan or a SUV". Adding in specific models probably confuses people more than it helps because they can't help being influenced by the millions car companies spend on advertising. It's insidious and it biases us to choices we wouldn't make without that influence.

 

[hek8560]

I did not mean to compared the cx5 to X5 (I know the price and all the other things), I just want share my thought. No offense at all for all cx-5 owner, I just complaint about the noise level on the car(Engine noise when engine was cold, transmission lagging when engine is cold, wind noise so loud when driving over 65, I do love the car when everything is warm up). If I can delete that post, I will do it. Sorry!

 

[RG_Flyer]

I did not mean to compared the cx5 to X5 (I know the price and all the other things), I just want share my thought. No offense at all for all cx-5 owner, I just complaint about the noise level on the car(Engine noise when engine was cold, transmission lagging when engine is cold, wind noise so loud when driving over 65, I do love the car when everything is warm up). If I can delete that post, I will do it. Sorry!

Please do not apologize or delete your post, your thoughts and impressions are valuable input. An enthusiasts' site should offer commentary on the good and bad impressions of the subject, regardless of similarity or other's narrow opinion of appropriateness.

 

[bmninada]

Please do not apologize or delete your post, your thoughts and impressions are valuable input. An enthusiasts' site should offer commentary on the good and bad impressions of the subject, regardless of similarity or other's narrow opinion of appropriateness.

+1

 

[erhayes]

I feel that it shows that the CX5 is so outstanding, that it can be compared to vehicles costing two or more times the cost, especially when one compares repair and upkeep cost. I would like to drive a BMW of Jag F. if someone else is paying the repair and maintains costs. )

 

[yrwei52]

Please do not apologize or delete your post, your thoughts and impressions are valuable input. An enthusiasts' site should offer commentary on the good and bad impressions of the subject, regardless of similarity or other's narrow opinion of appropriateness.

+1

 

[yrwei52]

I feel that it shows that the CX5 is so outstanding, that it can be compared to vehicles costing two or more times the cost, especially when one compares repair and upkeep cost. I would like to drive a BMW of Jag F. if someone else is paying the repair and maintains costs. )

Many BMW or Jag F-Type owners seem don't really care expensive repair and maintenance cost. They simply get another one when the problems start arise.

 

[bmninada]

Many BMW or Jag F-Type owners seem don't really care expensive repair and maintenance cost. They simply get another one when the problems start arise.

Actually I know folks having BMW which run perfectly fine with little to no maintenance. Every car's different. Also note - few I know mostly LEASE a BMW and they tend to really run it rough with little maintenance for the 3 years of lease. BMW is undoubtedly a great car and much depends on the owner also. Mazda suffered terribly and almost died due to its association with Ford and till today people cringe and many have vowed to never own or recommend one. Yes, Mazda is trying to change and is changing (for the better) but it's still a long, long and lengthy process.

 

[Unobtanium]

Actually I know folks having BMW which run perfectly fine with little to no maintenance. Every car's different. Also note - few I know mostly LEASE a BMW and they tend to really run it rough with little maintenance for the 3 years of lease. BMW is undoubtedly a great car and much depends on the owner also. Mazda suffered terribly and almost died due to its association with Ford and till today people cringe and many have vowed to never own or recommend one. Yes, Mazda is trying to change and is changing (for the better) but it's still a long, long and lengthy process.

Yep. My Dad wondered WTF when I bought a Mazda "for reliability". Ford really pillaged their rep.