77 Horsepower!
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got tired of reading stuff on this on page 8 but i agree with 1st MP3 in NH on his comments we do just have a MP3 with a turbo and i am one of thoes MSP owners that have taken off all the MSP stuff and started over with a FMIC to4eTurbo tublar manifold 3"turbo back exhaust Externalwastegate fuel and ignition ect......
if this 77hp is true im putting all my stock stuff back on tomorrow!!!
if this 77hp is true im putting all my stock stuff back on tomorrow!!!
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OrangeMSP said:got tired of reading stuff on this on page 8 but i agree with 1st MP3 in NH on his comments we do just have a MP3 with a turbo and i am one of thoes MSP owners that have taken off all the MSP stuff and started over with a FMIC to4eTurbo tublar manifold 3"turbo back exhaust Externalwastegate fuel and ignition ect......
if this 77hp is true im putting all my stock stuff back on tomorrow!!!
mmm baby! And; I'm one of those MAZDASPEED owners that loves his MAZDASPEED - just like it is right now,,,just like it is right now sitting in my garage next to the totally stock Silver Bullet ES Protege my wife drives! Uh uh!!! ....Surrounded in AGR pink tafeta... Now someone for the love of God; GIVE ME A BIG KISS! (k)
Kooldino said:
Agreed, but it will undoubtedly affect those dyno #'s.
I still don't believe the dyno, but at least it's closer to being possible in my eyes.
To me it makes a difference since the orignal claim was 9psi.
I hear ya, but Mazda spec is ~6.9psi, and a lot of members reported that number. There were HUGE debates about this before the MSP came out. Maybe a few people got 5psi, or maybe their boost gauge was hooked up wrong...who knows.
I'm not saying that he's making it up, I'm just saying that a 9psi MSP w/ an air filter and an exhaust isn't making 223 to the wheels.
"800"hp 4 bangers, eh?
OK, just got home..
1) I agree that it will affect dyno numbers
2) at least you are one step closer
3) I agree, but turbo cars never hold "rock steady" you can set it for 9 and it will creep to 11 or drop to 7- especially with internal swin gates
4) I have spoken to many who claimed 5 psi stock. I know spec is 6.9, but as mentioned by someone earlier, that may be the max it will see in certain conditions. My car would vary from 4.5 to 5.5 stock and yes, my boost gauge is hooked up correctly, If nothing else over the years, I hope I am capable of a boost gauge install- I mean that is the first step in building a 487 whp Talon
5) I'm through with this one
6) Yes, 800 HP four bangers. There is a world out there with more in it than 200 hp Proteges
.. A lot of us play with "real" cars in our spare time .Joe
1st MP3 in NH said:
Ummm... I have seen 75 plus whp gains with boost, K&N and full exhaust on DSM's.. Oh yeah, you also need to know how to tune too
.. I don't give a rats ass how old the MSP is- it is the tuning experience that matters.. If you know what you are doing, it doesn't matter what car you work your "magic" on.. Christ.. It is only a ******* 4 cylinder Mazda, not some exotic plutonium burning nuclear powered rocket ship that none of us have any knowledge of ..Joe
kwiktsi said:
Ummm... I have seen 75 plus whp gains with boost, K&N and full exhaust on DSM's.. Oh yeah, you also need to know how to tune too
Joe
Ah and there it is, "with tuning".
An MSP with only 2 psi, exhuast and intake, has nothing to tune. nothing to tweak or dial in. The only thing you can do is up the bosst.
I highly doubt with an exhuast intake and 2 more psi then stock you got 77 whp on a dsm with no tuning.
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Yo Matt!!! I agree!! (k) (k) (k) (k) (k) (k) (k)
Ok here is my thoughts on this 2 psi crap, most people as Joe has mentioned numerous times were only peaking at 7 and holding for a second or so. Most of the time the car is only pulling 5 - 5.5, since I installed my MBC it is peaking over 10 for a split second and then its holding at 9.5 pretty steady. That is a 4 psi increase not 2, if you read this thread numerous people have said the same thing, xsiv, Joe and myself are 3 of them.
1st MP3 in NH said:
Let me rephrase that- slightly colder plugs, close the plug gaps and some free crap- no fuel controller or anything.. I am not saying that is what had to be done here also- I wasn't there. I can tell you though that if you boost a car and know from experience by how it is running that the plug's need to be regapped- you do it and don't consider it a mod, just common sense
... However, My MSP has responded very well to the boost and exhaust with no "tuning" done at all- depending on weather. I have since dropped to fuel pressure a bit to lean it out up top and removed the weather strip from the backside of the hood to reduce underhood temps- now the car pull hard in all temps at all times. There is never a time where I hit it and it feels like a Hyundai on hot days. The only time my plugs were out was after a 11 psi run to 125mph to check for signs of detonation, so I doubt they had to do anything with this car..My tuning comment was for the Turbo Protege guys making a lousy 200hp. I know a guy in FL with an 02 P5 with a T3, 2.5" exhaust, FMIC, etc. Typical turbo kit s***. He puts 237 to the wheels. You guys must be doing something wrong
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kwiktsi said:
Let me rephrase that- slightly colder plugs, close the plug gaps and some free crap- no fuel controller or anything.. I am not saying that is what had to be done here also- I wasn't there. I can tell you though that if you boost a car and know from experience by how it is running that the plug's need to be regapped- you do it and don't consider it a mod, just common sense
My tuning comment was for the Turbo Protege guys making a lousy 200hp. I know a guy in FL with an 02 P5 with a T3, 2.5" exhaust, FMIC, etc. Typical turbo kit s***. He puts 237 to the wheels at 8 psi. You guys must be doing something wrong
Joe
Oops, that was supposed to be an edit, not a quote. I added here that the 237hp run was at 8 psi..
Joe
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Damn people are clueless.. One question- yes, you have a turbo kit, yes, so do a couple others posting here- my question- aside from maybe bolting it on, what automotive/tuning/racing experience do you have. If you say just your car I am going to (nuts) and walk away shaking my head..
There is more to tuning a car than just bolting on a turbo kit that someone else makes after sevaral call to them about "where's this go?" I am the guy who designs and build his own turbo systems for his own projects, not buys someone else's. How many 1200 hp NSX powered tube chassis civics have you worked on?
I am tired of being told by people with no knowledge or experience what isn't possible.. Christ, it is ONLY 223 HP. he is not claiming 500.. Damn....
Joe
Damn people are clueless.. One question- yes, you have a turbo kit, yes, so do a couple others posting here- my question- aside from maybe bolting it on, what automotive/tuning/racing experience do you have. If you say just your car I am going to (nuts) and walk away shaking my head..
There is more to tuning a car than just bolting on a turbo kit that someone else makes after sevaral call to them about "where's this go?" I am the guy who designs and build his own turbo systems for his own projects, not buys someone else's. How many 1200 hp NSX powered tube chassis civics have you worked on?
I am tired of being told by people with no knowledge or experience what isn't possible.. Christ, it is ONLY 223 HP. he is not claiming 500.. Damn....
Joe
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I finally read this whole thread..wow my head hurts. Anyway, I just want to congratulate everyone on this, one of the more educating and entertaining threads on the forum....
Everyone needs to chill out though, I know its hard in heated debate..but as I'm not an expert on this topic..I can look at this objectivly.. sort of from the outside looking in.. and I think we should try to be more civil to eachother..maybe put some smilies after your more directed comments so others won't take them so seriously.
Everyone needs to chill out though, I know its hard in heated debate..but as I'm not an expert on this topic..I can look at this objectivly.. sort of from the outside looking in.. and I think we should try to be more civil to eachother..maybe put some smilies after your more directed comments so others won't take them so seriously.
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I have read through this whole thread since I am considering getting an MSP. Here are some of my experiences with a 1.8T that I think are relevant. Until someone comes up with a piggy back ECU, alternate ECU or something similar it's going to be hard to get those kind of numbers. The chip I put into my 1.8T netted 40whp alone, just ECU. This is due to the increased boost, about 7-9PSi and fuel mapping etc. A 2.5" turbo back exhaust only increased maybe 5-10whp, but it opened up the upper RPM area significantly over the stock exhaust. K&N or ITG panel filters work almost as well as a CAI, except CAI picks up more at higher speeds/rpms I have tried them all. Replacing the stock blowoff/diverter valve made a pretty big difference and is pretty much essential if you increase boost. The MSP uses the same block as the MP3 etc. which I think will be a problem in higer boost applications, it wasn't specifically redisgned for a turbo setup. Having said that, you couldn't get a better tuner than Reeves Callaway, his old kits for VW Rabbits were awesome and still sought after. To get 200whp and 232ft/lb torque I had to do the following; 2.5" TB stainless, Forge motorsports diverter valve, Neuspeed turbo inlet pipe, Velocity CAI, Upsolute ECU chip and Unorthodox lightened pullies. My car was 150bhp stock, and my mods cost about $3K canadian but quite a few were used. I think the MSP could be brought to 200 wheel relatively easily but you really need proper tuning and have to watch out for detonation. Why doesn't one of you hardcore guys go for a SDS system, screw the stock ECU. One more interesting note, I am still retaining my warranty because I can swap my stock ECU and chipped ECU in about 15mins with a laptop and Vag-Com software. It's only a matter of time before someone disects the Mazda ECU and does the same. Anyway for anyone who gets upset, I am just trying to learn more about the MSP and offer my personal experiences with a somewhat similar car/setup.
Nice post man.2001GTI1.8T said:I have read through this whole thread since I am considering getting an MSP. Here are some of my experiences with a 1.8T that I think are relevant. Until someone comes up with a piggy back ECU, alternate ECU or something similar it's going to be hard to get those kind of numbers. The chip I put into my 1.8T netted 40whp alone, just ECU. This is due to the increased boost, about 7-9PSi and fuel mapping etc. A 2.5" turbo back exhaust only increased maybe 5-10whp, but it opened up the upper RPM area significantly over the stock exhaust. K&N or ITG panel filters work almost as well as a CAI, except CAI picks up more at higher speeds/rpms I have tried them all. Replacing the stock blowoff/diverter valve made a pretty big difference and is pretty much essential if you increase boost. The MSP uses the same block as the MP3 etc. which I think will be a problem in higer boost applications, it wasn't specifically redisgned for a turbo setup. Having said that, you couldn't get a better tuner than Reeves Callaway, his old kits for VW Rabbits were awesome and still sought after. To get 200whp and 232ft/lb torque I had to do the following; 2.5" TB stainless, Forge motorsports diverter valve, Neuspeed turbo inlet pipe, Velocity CAI, Upsolute ECU chip and Unorthodox lightened pullies. My car was 150bhp stock, and my mods cost about $3K canadian but quite a few were used. I think the MSP could be brought to 200 wheel relatively easily but you really need proper tuning and have to watch out for detonation. Why doesn't one of you hardcore guys go for a SDS system, screw the stock ECU. One more interesting note, I am still retaining my warranty because I can swap my stock ECU and chipped ECU in about 15mins with a laptop and Vag-Com software. It's only a matter of time before someone disects the Mazda ECU and does the same. Anyway for anyone who gets upset, I am just trying to learn more about the MSP and offer my personal experiences with a somewhat similar car/setup.
about your SDS (simple digital systems) comment.
They are a little outdated in there software IMO. (please dont flame anyone i said my opinion)
because i am not a fan of MAP based fuel and ignition curves. I have used them in the past and dont like the set up much. I am in the process of tuning a module that interfaces with the stock ecu to controll fuel , timing and boost. This will be available for any vehicle and performance level. You can read about my build up under the photo/video section of this forum. The thread is entitled " pics of my girlfriends"
BTW it will be used in conjunction with all stock sensors and use either stock or my upgraded MAF meter.
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perfworks said:
That is true about SDS, but I have seen some great numbers and nice dyno plots from average cars running SDS. A guy in our group with SDS is running 142whp on a MK3 jetta 2L with a ghetto MK2 turbo diesel manifold, tiny stock TD turbo and no intercooler. He's still trying to tune it as well, we were at Dynopower in Toronto last week inhaling rich exhaust fumes!
Your idea sounds great, best of luck with it.
