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If this was legal for STF class autoX it would really make a noticable difference. Even at some of the faster courses I never got out of 2nd gear.
-Derrick
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If this was legal for STF class autoX it would really make a noticable difference. Even at some of the faster courses I never got out of 2nd gear.
-Derrick
^exactly. Not only is the 1-2 shift mismatched but second is SOOOOO long. I couldn't keep up with a fit on track due to it. You would think holding 2nd gear to him being in 3rd would make the 2 faster, but it didn't! There was nothing I could do. On the other hand, my 98 neon was perfectly matched to him, power and gearing on the same track. I was a tad bit disappointed with the 2 at that point, not going to lie!
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Win For Corksport for supporting the Mazda2 with Awesome Custom Parts!
I suggest that this be only truly looked at by a person who plans to track this car dedicated.
This on a Daily Driven Car would totally SUCK.
It would Kill Fuel Economy.
Awesome however for Lapping days or AUTOx
I suggest that this be only truly looked at by a person who plans to track this car dedicated.
This on a Daily Driven Car would totally SUCK.
It would Kill Fuel Economy.
Awesome however for Lapping days or AUTOx
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TIM!
You must have better things to do...
Not a single person gives a s*** about the opinion of a troll asshole. Please stop posting on the forum.. All you are doing is Trolloing and making the threads OT...
You must have better things to do...
Not a single person gives a s*** about the opinion of a troll asshole. Please stop posting on the forum.. All you are doing is Trolloing and making the threads OT...
Hey Derrick, vdsracing is running on the stock tranny, i am the one who changed it with the EU gearbox of Mazda 3 which have 4.388 FGR and 0.820 5th gear thus i cant tell anything about economy cause of the shorter fifth gear.
In the EU market, the 1.5 M2 comes with 4.105 FGR and the 1.3 with the 3.8 which is the one that you have in the US.
A friend of mine with the 1.3 M2 that bought my stock tranny(4.105) says that he has better fuel economy and the car is much more alive in the mid rpms.
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guys. guys. listen. guys. when i play dirt3. it says when i select a shorter gear ratio. guys are you listening. guys. it makes the car accelerate faster. guys get this. accelerate faster. but i loose top speed. guys. faster acceleration.
god tier autox mod
god tier autox mod
CRG Racer24
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Its not that simple.
The acceleration from 0 it will be about the same. You will fill that you accelerate much faster cause of the sooner change of the gears but in reality isnt.
The big difference will be when you are with 3rd gear and 3k rpm and you hit the gas, if there is a stock mazda 2 next to you, he will loose you but as i said before, accelerating from 0 or from a rolling 1st gear the difference is very small.
Mazda 3 gearbox from 1.4 / 1.6 are all F35 so they are interchangeable but note that the mazda 3 2.0(and higher) are G35 and are very different.
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I really don't know about this, but I got a game called Drag Racing, its about 400m races, and when I mod the ratios, I learn that you improve 0-60 acceleration, depending where the power is, if more power is on the high rpms and you got shorter gears, you acelerate faster because you are applying more power every time you change the gear, starting in more high rpms... REALLY I don't know... but looking at the game, the differences when modding gears ratios are small...
In another hand, I read in internet that this modd "adds" power in all rpms, im I right? so why you say that you will feel difference in 3k rpm and 3rd gear, in 2nd u wouldn't ?
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You can make something accelerate quicker two ways,
- add more power
- reduce weight
The transmission, as the name implies, transmits power to the wheels. Without it there would be only one speed.
Shorter gears mean lower top speed better acceleration.
Other factors come into play.
- Traction
- Engine Power Band.
on a small course where you may never get into 5 th gear, it would be advantageous to lower all gears to get more torque in all gears. The negative is that you can not just turn this mod off. It would (could) Perminantly and negatively change the ability of the car to maintain a highway speed without being very high in revs for no reason. ( like blasting down the interstate in 4th gear )
- add more power
- reduce weight
The transmission, as the name implies, transmits power to the wheels. Without it there would be only one speed.
Shorter gears mean lower top speed better acceleration.
Other factors come into play.
- Traction
- Engine Power Band.
on a small course where you may never get into 5 th gear, it would be advantageous to lower all gears to get more torque in all gears. The negative is that you can not just turn this mod off. It would (could) Perminantly and negatively change the ability of the car to maintain a highway speed without being very high in revs for no reason. ( like blasting down the interstate in 4th gear )
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Every time someone does not agree with you, your answer is like this.
It is shame to talk to me about playstation and stuff after the work I've done on the 2.
Both of you you are talking about changing gear ratios and the topic is about Final Gear Ratio/Final Drive/FGR.
Of course cars with close gear ratios are much faster when they are tuned in the power band of the motor.
Changing FGR does not affect the gear ratios. It can put more power to the ground(gearbox multiplies the torque to the wheels) but you also stay less time on your power band. The big difference on 2 cars will be when both(i.e a stock and an FGRed MZ2) get into 4th, then the car with the FGR will start to get away much faster.
It is shame to talk to me about playstation and stuff after the work I've done on the 2.
Both of you you are talking about changing gear ratios and the topic is about Final Gear Ratio/Final Drive/FGR.
Of course cars with close gear ratios are much faster when they are tuned in the power band of the motor.
Changing FGR does not affect the gear ratios. It can put more power to the ground(gearbox multiplies the torque to the wheels) but you also stay less time on your power band. The big difference on 2 cars will be when both(i.e a stock and an FGRed MZ2) get into 4th, then the car with the FGR will start to get away much faster.
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Changing the Final Drive has the same effect as changing all ratios at once. ( I KNOW first hand because I am one of the first people who completely redesigned the ratios of all gears in a protege)
It maintains whatever balance between the stock gears, it just makes them all behave taller or shorter.
You say it isn't the same, I never said I disagree with you, but all I care about is the Result of doing that mod.
The result of changing the final drive shorter will be "A Faster Accelerating Car With A Lower Top Speed"
I will laugh out loud if you tell me that I am wrong.
It maintains whatever balance between the stock gears, it just makes them all behave taller or shorter.
You say it isn't the same, I never said I disagree with you, but all I care about is the Result of doing that mod.
The result of changing the final drive shorter will be "A Faster Accelerating Car With A Lower Top Speed"
I will laugh out loud if you tell me that I am wrong.
Wake up, FGR doesn't change the the RPM's that you will drop on next gear.
If the stock FGR the rpm drops at 3800rpm from 1st to 2nd, the same will be with the FGR.
With different gear you may be able to change this to get it more efficient i.e to drop to 4500rpm instead of 3800.
I wrote it before, there is a difference but depending from the gear or the rpm that you are.
From stand still to 700 meter the gain is very small, less than 1 car length
From rolling 1st gear to 700m about 1 car length
Rolling 2nd gear @ 3000rpms to 700 2.5 cars length.
Rolling 2nd gear @ 4500rpms to 700m 1.5-2 cars length.(if we did go at higher rpms the gain would be smaller)
Rolling 3rd gear @ 3500rpms to 700m 3+ cars length
These are the gains after street "legal" tests that i have done. As you can see, from stand still the gain is very small and also from rolling 1st gear.
I have the 4.388 FGR and shorter 5th gear, 2 years now. I know exactly the differences over the stock because guess what... i was the first ever to do this mod on the 2.
So don't be a smart ass
If the stock FGR the rpm drops at 3800rpm from 1st to 2nd, the same will be with the FGR.
With different gear you may be able to change this to get it more efficient i.e to drop to 4500rpm instead of 3800.
I wrote it before, there is a difference but depending from the gear or the rpm that you are.
From stand still to 700 meter the gain is very small, less than 1 car length
From rolling 1st gear to 700m about 1 car length
Rolling 2nd gear @ 3000rpms to 700 2.5 cars length.
Rolling 2nd gear @ 4500rpms to 700m 1.5-2 cars length.(if we did go at higher rpms the gain would be smaller)
Rolling 3rd gear @ 3500rpms to 700m 3+ cars length
These are the gains after street "legal" tests that i have done. As you can see, from stand still the gain is very small and also from rolling 1st gear.
I have the 4.388 FGR and shorter 5th gear, 2 years now. I know exactly the differences over the stock because guess what... i was the first ever to do this mod on the 2.
So don't be a smart ass
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LOL
You typed all that without even reading what I posted...
"The result of changing the final drive shorter will be "A Faster Accelerating Car With A Lower Top Speed"
^^ Tell me that this is WRONG.
You typed all that without even reading what I posted...
"The result of changing the final drive shorter will be "A Faster Accelerating Car With A Lower Top Speed"
^^ Tell me that this is WRONG.
