well saidLittle Beavis said:I'm all for this. Good luck man.
Those that say it is a waste of money. Screw you.I mean that in a nice way though. If you think it is a waste, please tell me (tell all of us) that you have never "wasted" money in your life before. I blew tons of cash on stereos, alcohol, you name it. So, now I blow a bunch of cash on my car. s***, hobbies take money. So, what.
I fail to see the point in bashing anybodies idea. You can make your point and say "I don't think it is worth it". That's fine, but saying "that's stupid" doesn't help anyone and doesn't create any "love" of any sort. I disagree with what people do every day, car or otherwise, but there is no gain or benefit to saying "you're wrong". So, why bother.
It is your money, spend it as you wish. I could have bought a much better car, but I saw a MP3 and I had to have one. Could have spent twice as much (and maybe I will when all is said and done), but I have a car that I love. Amen and praise all those that feel the same. Damn, I hate this forum when we start to criticize so vehemently! Damn. Is there a reason for such enmity?
350-400 whp P5 UPDATE
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to get back on topic...what are you doing the transmission to get it to handle that much power...from what i've read and through personal experience the 5spd can hardly handle 135lb ft tq out of the stock engine
r u using a mazdaspeed transmissions (tochigi fuji LSD and shot peened shift forks)? or something tougher?
r u using a mazdaspeed transmissions (tochigi fuji LSD and shot peened shift forks)? or something tougher?
some people spend stupid amounts of money simply on cosmetics for their cars. Ridiculous uses of fiberglass inside and out......and while I myself would never spend this much money on a car like a protege, I certainly admire his drive to achieve his goal and for that matter, respect it more than some other ways ppl blow their money on their rides.
an s2000 is a car that I really dont have a whole lot of desire to own. Might be nice to poke around in for a little bit but no big deal, and the golf and TT are 2 cars I would very much like to never own, i dont care for either. So keeping with the each person has their own opinion theme, I think if I was given the aforementioned 4 cars to pick from, I would pick the 300hp awd p5, to hell with the power, its awd so I can drive it in the winter, and it looks the best imo.
and not trying to pick a fight here at all ben but
"I'm just trying to get an understanding why that much money would be wasted on a cheap import econobox."
from my point of view I wouldnt want to waste 30k on a s2k golf or tt. I think I see as many s2ks and tts on the road as I do P5s, and way more golfs, so it has a unique factor from where I sit too.
truth be told, since I have my MSP, if I was spending 30k, it would probably be on a pickup truck or a boat so how's THAT for having my own opinion
"why would you waste money on a CAR when you could buy a BOAT?!?!"
hehehe
an s2000 is a car that I really dont have a whole lot of desire to own. Might be nice to poke around in for a little bit but no big deal, and the golf and TT are 2 cars I would very much like to never own, i dont care for either. So keeping with the each person has their own opinion theme, I think if I was given the aforementioned 4 cars to pick from, I would pick the 300hp awd p5, to hell with the power, its awd so I can drive it in the winter, and it looks the best imo.
and not trying to pick a fight here at all ben but
"I'm just trying to get an understanding why that much money would be wasted on a cheap import econobox."
from my point of view I wouldnt want to waste 30k on a s2k golf or tt. I think I see as many s2ks and tts on the road as I do P5s, and way more golfs, so it has a unique factor from where I sit too.
truth be told, since I have my MSP, if I was spending 30k, it would probably be on a pickup truck or a boat so how's THAT for having my own opinion
"why would you waste money on a CAR when you could buy a BOAT?!?!"
hehehe
ProtegePoe
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If you can afford it go for it!!!!
I don't want to say online what I'm getting so the crazy beotch can't find me and vandalize it. I agree with you on the boat, But if I were to buy a boat, then I'd need a truck to tow it. I'll have to wait a few more years for that. But I still say it's a waste to spend that much money on this car. But like I said before and it seemed like no one noticed, if that's what you like then go for it. But you will still be beaten by other much better and cheaper cars. The Protege is not capable of a lot of horsepower. And the power it does get, it's drive train can't handle it, so what's the point? It's smarter to go with a car that is capable of higher numbers to begin with.
well not to flame here but you are entitled to your opinion and me to mine. i think your wrong and the car is perfectly suitable for high power. i will disprove your theory soon once my beast in on the road.big_ben said:
it has style and now will have the power to beat almost anything on the road. i cant beleive that someone with your knowledge would make a comment as ignorant as that. sorry but you have been really negative lately and it isnt something some of these members need to hear especially from an authorized vendor.
Antoine
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perfworks said:
well not to flame here but you are entitled to your opinion and me to mine. i think your wrong and the car is perfectly suitable for high power. i will disprove your theory soon once my beast in on the road.
it has style and now will have the power to beat almost anything on the road. i cant beleive that someone with your knowledge would make a comment as ignorant as that. sorry but you have been really negative lately and it isnt something some of these members need to hear especially from an authorized vendor.
Amen!
big_ben...not everyone gets a hardon when they see something with 4 wheels that's german. By the way...I'll contact you about the AV status since you are "getting something else"...not sure if you are still making anything to sell.
Yeah, I haven't been seiling anything for about a year now. You can take that off. I think you guys are being way too sensitive. I never said that the Protege is a total piece of s***. I'm just calling it what it is. It is meant for fuel economy and there is some power that can be pulled from it. But if it is a car that you rive every day, it's a waste of time. By the time you have gotten the max power from it, it will be so damn undrivable that you will hate to drive in it everyday. My opinion is why not start with something that already has the smae amount of power that the protege maxes out at. Seems pretty logical to me, maybe I'm just being too logical.
Thats not even the worry onthis car so much as the tranny not standing up to any real power. Hell the entire mazda lineup except the miata for the last few years just wan't ever intended for power.
Gotta save money somewhere.
At this point I am using the car more for experience then anything. Turboing doesn't even add a lot of juice this is true but I already did it so might aswell get the experience with this car and use it more effectively on my next car. Turboing had to be the single best learning experience I have ever embarked on.
For me its a mission of knowledge and experimentation not of power.
Enjoy
Gotta save money somewhere.
At this point I am using the car more for experience then anything. Turboing doesn't even add a lot of juice this is true but I already did it so might aswell get the experience with this car and use it more effectively on my next car. Turboing had to be the single best learning experience I have ever embarked on.
For me its a mission of knowledge and experimentation not of power.
Enjoy
Finally, someone is making sense. This car is a great platform to gain knowledge and experience from. But a car to make into a high power beast, no. Before this car, I only knew a lot about classic V8 cars that used carbs and no computer. Now I know tons about newer high tech cars. I never wanted to make this car into anything over 200hp because I knew that the drivetrain would not hold it. So I wasn't gong to waste my money. When tragedy struck, I cut my losses there and now I'm moving on to something much better.
Not to far from my plans but I am hoping that tradgety isn't involved, just time. Maybe in another year or 2 or if i get into money issues I will sell otherwise this car is my project, my labor my blood and I am not giving up until its where I want it to be.
Familia323
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OK OK OK OK OK who the hell cares what everyone thinks is a good idea to spend money on and whats not?... if you dont think the protege is a good car to make 350-400 whp then STOP POSTING IN THIS THREAD! No one in here wants to hear it... As the title implies this is for people who are interested in the protege making 350-400whp.. other than that, those against it really have no reason to post in here.
Familia323 said:
To begin, realise Ben has had a boosted MP3 so he knows well aout what it will take and he has had a melt down and found it unuseful to try and get these figures from the car as THE ENTIRE DRIVETRAIN will need rebuilding, not just the engine, EVERYTHING.
In him saying its not worth it he is very accurate and is his rightful opinion. If anything take his comments as a challenge and try to meet it. Myslef and ben want to see a protege with those numbers as much as you do. He just doesn't want someone thinking this will be a basic bolt on and tune process. We are talking VERY custom fabrication here. He is mearly warning you about getting in over your head and what will actualy be needed to do this. Expect no less then $20,000 into the car to get it there and another $5000 to maintain the beast.
Familia323
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Familia323 said:
I think after posting this comment and realizing what I said.. I'm going to take my own advice...
and stop posting in here....
*walks out knowing that hed be satisfied with a 200-250whp protege to tide him over til he got the money for a car meant to be a track queen......
Well said. I have been down that road, it was fun, but I'm glad the headache is over. It was all nothing but a headache. I have learned from my mistakes. I have the financial ability to buy a faster and better handling car now so that's what I'm doing. The car I buy is just the next step up, then after this one comes my dream car,....the E46 M3. But that's still about 5 to 6 years down the road.
So far my project is at $7000. that will net around 350 hp. with the stock tranny. Just because i havent posted it much here doesnt mean that i havent boosted my protege before. I had no troubles with the first kit at 15psi. its when i decided to go to 22 when it (no im not ashamed to say) went boom. I learned my lesson on that and am building a very sturdy base this time around.1st MP3 in NH said:
Again i respect bens and your opinion , just stating mine also that it is just like any project. Its our personal preference to do something others see as unfeasable. Its a challenge and i am up to the task as many others are out there.
I have built 600hp twin turbo mustangs in the past. I know all about tuning and building cars for specific needs. This is something out of the ordinary but exciting.
Try telling the boys in japan and europe not to mod their econoboxes. They have been tuning yugos and 1.3 sunnys out there for years putting down close to the equivalent of 400hp.
To each their own guys just lets have fun with it.
