350-400 whp P5 UPDATE

[LinuxRacr]

Good luck with your project, but I'm a little confused here. Why? Why would you want to spen that kind of money to get your car to 350 to 400hp? I understand it if you are being sponsored by a company of some kind, but otherwise, it's pretty stupid to spend that kind of money on a Protege. To get the car to that level it will take a minimum of $15,000. Base car price is around $17,000, then add the $15,000, that comes to $32,000. ANd that's being conservative because the tuning and spare parts that will definetely be broken along the way. So why spent that much on such a cheap econobox? Why not get a 2000MY Audi TT or a Golf 1.8T for less than $18,000, then spend the $4500 on the APR stage 3 turbo kit that has an output of over 330hp on race gas.

Like I said, good luck with your project, but you are wasting your money.

He chose the path he wanted. I for one like the element of surprise on the faces of victims of the supposed econobox. (laugh)

 

[turbo_p5]

thats pretty much what im trying to achieve. I like the look on the faces of guys with V8's when I leave them at the line and not let off. And plus arent all of you guys in this forum because you all like the way our cars look?

Yah its kinda expensive, but if you see where Im from its easy to make money in Vegas know what I mean. The casinos pay for all my parts. So why not?!

As for the injector size, maybe you guys are right, ill ask him tommorrow for more details.

And for the engine management, im going with the FAST system.

 

[PRO 5]

Good to see your project is coming along nicely! For some of us it is not the fact of going fast. If it was then we would all just but factory fast cars. For me anyway, it is about the challenge. The challenge of making a slow car fast! I would take more pride in making a slow car fast then a fast car faster. Uh.... yeah, I think that makes sense. LOL! Anyone can make a factory fast car faster (WRX, Audi TT, Audi A4, STi, EVO, etc.) but then you get the priviledge of being like EVERONE ELSE! Sometimes it's nice to be different. Even though it may cost a little more.

Dave

 

[HiBoost TS]

Yeah! I like that too. Make slow cars go faster than a lot of factory fast cars. That is a great feeling when you are faster than the already fast cars. That makes you different.

Keep going with your project and good luck.

BTW. Proteges can be faster than WRXs, EVOs and Audis.

 

[turbo_p5]

nicely put PRO 5, if i was still living in hawaii, i would defenitely cruz with you brah. maybe look for one race.

 

[PRO 5]

My brother lives in Las Vegas and maybe the next time I go up to visit him we could hook up!!! Maybe my car will be done by then and we can compare notes! If you ever come back HOME (hehe) to Hawaii don't hesitate to look me up. Keep us posted on your project.

Dave

 

[big_ben]

And plus arent all of you guys in this forum because you all like the way our cars look?

Sure, but if a Protege that cost $30,000 and an S2000 that cost $30,000 were lined up side by side, and you ask me which one to choose, it's a no brainer. Why? Well, the $30,000 Protege will be a pain in the ass to get it to the performance level of the S2000 right out of the box. If I want even more performance from the S2000, I'll just go buy the Comptech SC for it and bolt on 100hp in about 4 hours. Simple as that. And I'm still really under the total price of the pain in the ass Protege that will most likely cost more than $30,000 after all the broken parts and tuning.

If you think my estimates are off, just ask Linuxracer, he is a living testament to my words. And another point is the fact that the S2000 will most likely not be in the shop for very long at all during this time. The protege on the other hand, will be in the shop for weeks if not months while this transformation is taking place.

But like I said, it's your choices. If you think it's fun to make a slow car kinda fast, go for it and have fun, but don't get mad when a guy in a blown S2000 destroys you in a race and he has spent less money than you on his car and it looks 1,000,000 times better too.

Don't be mad, I'm just trying to talk some sense to the sensless.

 

[spoolinmp3]

hmmm s2000....those cars are ugly

 

[DooMer_MP3]

Good luck with your project, but I'm a little confused here. Why? Why would you want to spen that kind of money to get your car to 350 to 400hp? I understand it if you are being sponsored by a company of some kind, but otherwise, it's pretty stupid to spend that kind of money on a Protege. To get the car to that level it will take a minimum of $15,000. Base car price is around $17,000, then add the $15,000, that comes to $32,000. ANd that's being conservative because the tuning and spare parts that will definetely be broken along the way. So why spent that much on such a cheap econobox? Why not get a 2000MY Audi TT or a Golf 1.8T for less than $18,000, then spend the $4500 on the APR stage 3 turbo kit that has an output of over 330hp on race gas.

Like I said, good luck with your project, but you are wasting your money.

Hey jerk . Way to rain on our parade! j/k. Do you still have your MP3? Haven't seen you much on here so I'm curious if you kept it, sold it, bought a new car?

I've said it time and time again. The MP3 OWNZ me, and I don't ever plan on getting rid of it. I'll definitely buy a fast car out-of-the-box when I can afford it (yummy M3), but I plan on keeping the MP3 as long as I can and turning it into a project car. Sure I'll dump hella $ on major head work, tranny work, LSD, suspension and a good FI setup. But the smile on my face knowing that this little 140hp econobox is now a true machine will be worth it.

Chris

 

[big_ben]

I still have my MP3 but not for much longer. I have loved the MP3 in every way for the car that it is. But I refuse to do something as stupid as spend over $5000 on it to make it to only 300hp. I spent only about $2000 and was at about 200hp at the wheels, then tragedy struck, and I cut my losses. Why keep dumping money into something that is going to break all the time because it's not built for that power? Some people here have spent well over $30,000 when you include the price of the car. Patrick isn't the only one who has done this, there are others too. I think it's just a waste. If it breaks once, you should cut your losses there. It's like banging your head into a wall over and over even though you know it hurts when you do it. You know it's going to hurt, but you do it again, and again, and again.

I can think of at least 5 other much better cars to spen $30,000+ on.

Audi TT - Buy a year 2001 for $21,000, buy APR stage 3 for $4500, result is 330+hp for less than $30,000

Honda S2000 - Buy 200 to 2001 for $22,000, buy a SC for $4500, result is 305whp for less than $30,000

VW Golf - Buy a 2001 1.8T, buy APR stage 3 for $4500, result, 300+hp 11second 1/4 mile car

All of these cars would be a much greater investment than to keep breaking a Protege and buying new motors everytime.

 

[changedman]

dude, chill!!!

you goto a race with a cobra gt, and people expect it to go fast. ITS ALL ABOUT BEING A SLEEPER!! I dont know what is in your head IM WITH turbo_p5!! I'd rather BUILD IT and see the looks on peoples faces when his p5 kills a carerra!! LOL!!

turbo_p5- keep up the good work. some people will think you are wasting your money. its all about doing what YOU want to do. why do people need to put people down!? its HIS money, he'll spend it how HE wants! sure there are mustangs with v8s for $25000. s***! what fun is it then? build your car .(thumb)

EDIT: sorry, i meant 911 duh. need a couple more hundred horsepower to take a carerra

 

[big_ben]

I'd rather BUILD IT and see the looks on peoples faces when his p5 kills a carrera

I think you are getting a little carried away there. That won't happen if the Carrera is turbo or even the 6cyl.
And I really don't need to "chill", I'm not the least bit upset over this. I'm just trying to get an understanding why that much money would be wasted on a cheap import econobox. There hasn't been a logical reason yet. But like I have said before, it's your car, do what you want with it, but please don't compare it to a Porsche. That's just stupid and you know it.

 

[RAAZ227]

I think you are getting a little carried away there. That won't happen if the Carrera is turbo or even the 6cyl.
And I really don't need to "chill", I'm not the least bit upset over this. I'm just trying to get an understanding why that much money would be wasted on a cheap import econobox. There hasn't been a logical reason yet. But like I have said before, it's your car, do what you want with it, but please don't compare it to a Porsche. That's just stupid and you know it.

You don't seem to get the picture!!! I know a lot 4 banger imports that can take on any Porsche. It's all about hp per liter!!

 

[big_ben]

ok

 

[RAAZ227]

koo

 

[igdrasil]

Good luck in the progress...I mean it.

I would like to see the final setup with some graphs and everything in the near future....you know. Take it to the strips and represent the protege.
Ive been reading about the 240hp scca tripoint protege and its impressive, its the second favorite after the BMW. Even the fanatics think that is the strongest engine in that category. Its not as resistant as the others (need 3 engines in a season, vs 1 for the BMW 6cyl), but its competing against the BMW and has won a lot of races (last 3 seasons i think he have won).
ah...and the transmission has custom gears (3rd, 4th and 5th)made by some company called EMCO

 

[Familia323]

. I'm just trying to get an understanding why that much money would be wasted on a cheap import econobox. There hasn't been a logical reason yet. But like I have said before, it's your car, do what you want with it..

I'm pretty sure you won't ever fully understand it because you think the way that I do... If you and I had the money we both would go out and buy a Porsche over highly modifying a protege any day. But that isnt how they think... They want to step up to a challenge that most other people haven't(and/or don't want to)... To them it is more fun to put their money into this project, rather than going out and being like everyone else.. However, I would be like everyone else and go out and buy a Porsche.... hehe but thats just me.

 

[PRO 5]

True. I would just chalk it up to different strokes for different folks. Uhhh huh huh huh..... I said strokes...... huh huh!

Dave

 

[Familia323]

PRO 5, your car looks NICE. I love that Spearco intercooler!

 

[Little Beavis]

I'm all for this. Good luck man.

Those that say it is a waste of money. Screw you. I mean that in a nice way though. If you think it is a waste, please tell me (tell all of us) that you have never "wasted" money in your life before. I blew tons of cash on stereos, alcohol, you name it. So, now I blow a bunch of cash on my car. s***, hobbies take money. So, what.

I fail to see the point in bashing anybodies idea. You can make your point and say "I don't think it is worth it". That's fine, but saying "that's stupid" doesn't help anyone and doesn't create any "love" of any sort. I disagree with what people do every day, car or otherwise, but there is no gain or benefit to saying "you're wrong". So, why bother.

It is your money, spend it as you wish. I could have bought a much better car, but I saw a MP3 and I had to have one. Could have spent twice as much (and maybe I will when all is said and done), but I have a car that I love. Amen and praise all those that feel the same. Damn, I hate this forum when we start to criticize so vehemently! Damn. Is there a reason for such enmity?