thank a lot metallic36 for the translate...first now am 23 year hold...seconde i ran the nitrous juste 8 sec by shot....(gun)..loll like this...and yes it me to pass a lot of engine on my car...(yes warrenty boy)...so i blow all of my motor with no nitrous.(juste big boost)..this summer i use nitrous and no ****...g trouble with this set up...a lot af people think the nitrous is to dangerous...so i have my theorie on this....i use imao on my atv 40shot and stock piston and i work very well...this is juste my opinion..............................turbo+nitrous=(nana).. excuse my poor english everybody...
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KrayzieFox
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The blown motors he said were from running too much boost. But then running a small shot of nitrous with less boost things were okay.
Ok, heres my shot at a translation:
Thanks alot metallic36 for the translation. First of all I am 23 years old. Second I ran the nitrous shot for only 8 seconds. Yes I have blown alot of engines on my car, but not due to nitrous, was due to BIG BOOST. This summer I used nitrous and no ******* trouble with this setup. Alot of people think that nitrous is too dangerous, but I have my own theory on this. I use (LMAO=Laughing my ass off?) a 40 shot with the stock piston on my ATV(?) (All Terrain Vehicle) and it works very well. This is just my opinion.
Turbo + Nitrous = A Rocking Banana!
Excuse my poor english everyone.
Thanks alot metallic36 for the translation. First of all I am 23 years old. Second I ran the nitrous shot for only 8 seconds. Yes I have blown alot of engines on my car, but not due to nitrous, was due to BIG BOOST. This summer I used nitrous and no ******* trouble with this setup. Alot of people think that nitrous is too dangerous, but I have my own theory on this. I use (LMAO=Laughing my ass off?) a 40 shot with the stock piston on my ATV(?) (All Terrain Vehicle) and it works very well. This is just my opinion.
Turbo + Nitrous = A Rocking Banana!
Excuse my poor english everyone.
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Metallic36
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LOL works for me.
Hey, here's an idea.. there's a website that you can go to, www.freetranslation.com and click on the first tab that says "Free Text Translation" you can type in your conversation then translate it to English. That may tell us a bit more without us having to guess
Hey, here's an idea.. there's a website that you can go to, www.freetranslation.com and click on the first tab that says "Free Text Translation" you can type in your conversation then translate it to English. That may tell us a bit more without us having to guess
KrayzieFox
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How bout just spraying the intercooler fins with N2O. use it to cool the air from the outside. Kind of a waste of money but hey...
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BS. how fast is a F1 car? how much power do they have vs torque? peak power some 800whp at 19000rpm, that equates to ****only**** 221 ft lbs of torque. tq still greater than hp?
that's what co2 is used for - far cheaper than n2o
Were not talking about F1 cars here.. We're talking about proteges.. The car that people drive daily to work/home and occasionally race on the interstate.. From the responses on here, most people are interested in straight line performance.. TQ is what gets you going.. Nitrous gives more tq than hp, thats just how it is..
Maybe, you misunderstood my previous statement.. Im ALL for nitrous.. I've had it on my msp before..
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i guess you just dont understand the relationship between torque and hp.
I understand it just fine.. Like I said before, 100% of protege owners dont rev to 19,000 rpms everyday like an F1 car.. These are street cars, not race cars..
For example, look at a dyno sheet on a F1 car and see what kind of hp numbers it puts down at less than 7000rpms..
For example, look at a dyno sheet on a F1 car and see what kind of hp numbers it puts down at less than 7000rpms..
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Before I write an essay explaining why this statement utterly wrong - can you please explain why you think this is so? and please don't tell me its because Carrol Shelby said "HP sells cars, Torque wins races"....because i'll give you a free clue, Carrol Shelby was DEAD WRONG.
Good try at guessing my reasoning, but you fail.. In a STREET car, like I said in the above post that you more than likely overlooked, more people (on here) are focused around the way a car pulls in the lower-mid rpm's..
How many 3rd gen proteges are strictly built for drag racing? How many are in the single digits or, better yet, in the 10s?
Im guessing you dont understand the USE of nitrous? Yes, its for a bump in power, but mainly for power in the LOWER rpm's.. I mean, having dealt with nitrous before, surely you already know this..
Nitrous has many uses... on a strictly nitrous powered car (that is, no turbo...otherwise NA) the nitrous is used as a power adder. The aim is to get it on as soon as you have traction and hold the thing down until the end of the track. Twilightprotege's nitrous setup kicks in at 4000 to 4500rpm, depending on track conditions (its computer controlled to come on at exactly the programmed RPM everytime, which helps with consistency - launch RPM is 4000, so any earlier than that is a total waste - but sometimes we need to dial it up to 4500 because the track simply isn't there), both numbers are over half of his available engine speed. Given that its the ONLY power adder on the car, turning it off once you've achieved a certain engine speed would be counterproductive - That is to say, if he turned it off at say, 6000rpm, he would all of a sudden lose (all things being equal) 50 odd horsepower at every point of the curve past 6000rpm, which is considerable, given that he's got a full 1500 RPM left to go before its time to shift gears.
On a turbo setup, it is either used to assist in spooling an overly large turbo, or to provide a top end kick, or both. I've seen big turbo'd drag cars use it as both a window switch to get the turbo on boost, as well as use it right through the track - totally depends on how everything is set up and what you are trying to achieve.
So no, its not just used for gaining "low end torque" as you imply. Its used as an exclusive power adder, a suplimentary power adder, or to get the turbo up on boost (which has zero to do with torque, and everything to do with increased oxygen and fuel and thus greater exhaust volume and velocity. The increased torque/power afforded in this example is simply a byproduct.)
As for torque vs HP, Perhaps the best way i've heard it put is in this post here:
http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showpost.php?p=4084273&postcount=108
He steps through the maths, and makes an important point about GEARING (in that engine torque is not important - GEARED torque - that is torque at the wheels is what is critical)
Basically you cannot have one without the other - and to say that torque is some how greater, or more important than horsepower is totally wrong. You increase torque at a given engine speed, you ALSO INCREASE HORSEPOWER at that same engine speed, and visa versa. And its the HORSEPOWER that is responsible for making you move - the conversion of chemical energy into mechanical work which drives your wheels and pushes you along.
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Not the impression I get from your other posts...but if you say so...
it all depends on WHEN the nitrous is activated...relative to engine speed.
at 2000rpm, a 50 shot of nitrous (and to be frank, you'd need to be a bit of an idiot to turn a 50 shot of gas on at this RPM - every nitrous kit manufacturer warns against running the stuff at such a low RPM), you are right - you do build a lot more torque than you do horsepower - 131.3 ft lbs of torque gain to be exact. However, at 6000rpm, the same 50hp shot of nitrous only affords you a gain of 43.7 ft lbs gain.
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have you not tried different areas of activating the window switch on ^protege/launching rpm's? I believe 3000rpm's is the lowest recommended spraying point.. More tq will get his car 'up to speed' quicker as long as he has traction which will net lower 60' times as well at et's.. The hp will stay the same though so his mph wont change..
Higher launch RPM provides a better launch due to RPM and gearing - in other words, launching at 4000rpm gets him off the line faster than 3000rpm does. We normally have the activation at 4000rpm, but if the track is poorly prepped, the car just will not bite at this launch speed, so the activation is bumped up to about 4500. But on a well prepared track, he's on spray the second he buries the right foot to the floor, so its using nitrous over the entire run. Spraying at 3000rpm would be pointless, because the car never sees this engine speed on the track.
We don't use a "window" switch (window switch turns on at a given RPM, then back off, the nitrous in Twilights setup runs all the way through to red line). His system is set up to allow his microtech to activate the nitrous so long as the engine speed is above the activation RPM.
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