1st Woman Vice President

[Katya4me]

I think the reason colin powell didnt run for president was because he was black... in 2000, colin powell would have been a shoe-in for president.
Bush jr wasnt a "sure thing" in 2000

Powell's wife hates travel and the public life. He tried to retire before he was asked to be Sec. of State and then only agreed to the 1 term. He did an amazing job here and is sorely misssed. Rice on the other hand, seems to do everything that Bush wants her to do and that includes pissing off a lot of countries. I am not a fan of her at all. Yes, she is very educated and I admire her for all that she has accomplished, but I don't like her, nor am I a fan of Hillary. I wish Elizabeth Dole's husband wasn't such an *ss.

 

[Matthew]

Proof of Rice pissing off countries. Besides telling Iran and Syria to cease nucleaur programs

 

[Pro5Monkey]

Proof of Rice pissing off countries. Besides telling Iran and Syria to cease nucleaur programs

It's "nucular" (thumb)

 

[SciFiMan]

That's the reason I don't like Rice. Nice resume but she's only a mouth piece for her boss. Can she think for herself and be a leader? Hasn't proven it yet. And no, being a board director isn't a leadership position, it's an easy couple times a year, often honorary job, usually rubberstamping what the CEO/chairman wants. And is she beholden to any of them? Been a millionaire for a while, and in the positions she's had- oh, she's not squeaky clean by any means. But {deep sigh} I doubt there will ever again be anyone in state or federal office that can relate (and share the concerns of) a common midwestern family just trying to get by.

I do hope for a woman Prez or VP someday, only because they would tend to concern themselves with internal U.S. problems much more. And likely being mothers they may be less likely to butt into every will overseas struggle and kill our troops. But this won't happen for another generation. Look around at DC and corporate and it's really still an old, rich, white guy powerbase. When we get the newly rich and powerful getting elected (Gates, Jobs, etc.) then I'll start to have hope.

Powell's wife hates travel and the public life. He tried to retire before he was asked to be Sec. of State and then only agreed to the 1 term. He did an amazing job here and is sorely misssed. Rice on the other hand, seems to do everything that Bush wants her to do and that includes pissing off a lot of countries. I am not a fan of her at all. Yes, she is very educated and I admire her for all that she has accomplished, but I don't like her, nor am I a fan of Hillary. I wish Elizabeth Dole's husband wasn't such an *ss.

 

[SciFiMan]

Bah. Even if Rice speaks her mind behind closed doors, she still comes out bowing and saying, "Yes, sir, whatever you say sir!". {but Powell did it to for a time} Although Bush does surround himself only with yes-men, if she really actually disapproves, just once, with her Boss's decisions and resigns her post in protest, THEN, AND ONLY THEN, is she valuable to this country. Until you can stand on your on principles and ethics and stand up to peer pressure and do what's right, a person is nothing (actually a person like that would be a polititian.) She might as well be somebody random from the white house typing pool, sent on overseas jaunts to regurgitate whatever Bush's masters want said.

hopefully she changes her mind in three years and decides to run, though currently she says she doesnt.

another benefit is while she is most extremely educated and qualified on foreign affairs, she has never held an elected office. therefore she is somewhat, "untainted". at least, i hope whomever takes the next presidential seat keeps her on board, because she is truly valuable.

 

[Katya4me]

Proof of Rice pissing off countries. Besides telling Iran and Syria to cease nuclear programs

I have no problems w/ her telling Iran, Syria and North Korea to cease nuclear programs. My issue is w/ how she comes across. She is the head of the US's diplomatic corps, but she does not come across as a diplomat. She says this is how it is to be and doesn't seem to want to look to negotiate or discuss, which is what I dislike about Bush too. The world of international politics is ugly and I don't agree w/ a lot of it's current state, but throwing down ultimatums is usally not very effective. I'm looking for the articles that I remember reading several months ago.

 

[Prodigy]

It's "nucular" (thumb)

(hah) it's NUCLEAR. (unless you're attempting to make fun of Dubya's pronunciation)

 

[romecandleboy]

[/QUOTE]What is more of an interesting possibility is Clinton vs Rice in the next election. It is possible.[/QUOTE]

While that remains a possibility, Rice has stated that she 'will not run' . Another reality could be a Clinton/? vs. Guilliani/McCain

btw, is it possible for Bill Clinton to run as vice Pres under Hilary ? -that would most likely secure her position as the first female president.

 

[Pro5Monkey]

(hah) it's NUCLEAR. (unless you're attempting to make fun of Dubya's pronunciation)

Hey, you're sharp. Don't misunderestimate me, I've also been planting subliminable messages in all my posts. (hah)

 

[Matthew]

I have no problems w/ her telling Iran, Syria and North Korea to cease nuclear programs. My issue is w/ how she comes across. She is the head of the US's diplomatic corps, but she does not come across as a diplomat. She says this is how it is to be and doesn't seem to want to look to negotiate or discuss, which is what I dislike about Bush too. The world of international politics is ugly and I don't agree w/ a lot of it's current state, but throwing down ultimatums is usally not very effective. I'm looking for the articles that I remember reading several months ago.

I said proof, not random conjecture by you. Show me where she has pissed off diplomats from other countries.

And for the person that says Rice has to oppose Bush to prove she can take a stand...that's just stupid. What her job is, she doesn't need to take a stand against bush. She is the spokesman for the president when she travels. If she DID go against the president, she wouldnt be good at her job. What is the point of sending someone out in your place to negotiate, if they arent going to negotiate in your favor?

Some of you really have a hard time grasping politics, its quite obvious.

 

[SpicyMchaggis]

(poke)

 

[SciFiMan]

Get some world perspective

I tell you what, young Matthew, after you come back from Iraq, you let us know how you think the Bush team is doing. You have to many posts here. Try logging off the Internet and spend a couple months listening to the BBC and at least three other country's news sources. Watching Fox News and reading Time is not allowed during this learning exercise. Get some world perspective and let it sink in a while. In the mean time, we can both agree that we don't see eye to eye.

 

[kipper88]

I tell you what, young Matthew, after you come back from Iraq, you let us know how you think the Bush team is doing. You have to many posts here. Try logging off the Internet and spend a couple months listening to the BBC and at least three other country's news sources. Watching Fox News and reading Time is not allowed during this learning exercise. Get some world perspective and let it sink in a while. In the mean time, we can both agree that we don't see eye to eye.

All Media sucks ass. Watching BBC doesn't give you world perspective, try forming some of your own thoughts and beliefs and then you can tell Matthew to do the same.

 

[Matthew]

Yes, thank you. SciFiMan, ive already been to Iraq once.

 

[romecandleboy]

All Media sucks ass. Watching BBC doesn't give you world perspective, try forming some of your own thoughts and beliefs and then you can tell Matthew to do the same.

So true..too many of these people b**** about FOX news being bias while they're listenting religiously to NPR all day long. Just take it all with a grain of salt and form opinions based on experience, not what Michael Moore or Bill O' Reilly say.

 

[Roywhitep5]

Rice would have my vote in less than a second.

yeah yeah we remember all the carbon fiber(hah)

 

[PhreakV]

What is the point of sending someone out in your place to negotiate, if they arent going to negotiate in your favor?

actually, her job is to negotiate in the country's best interests, not Bush's...

yes, the Sec. of State is selected by the President but that doesn't make it necessary for that person to be a 'yes-man/woman' of sorts... its a diversity of opinions that represent America and give the best policies for America. its when there can be no dissention in the ranks that things get scary (i.e. right now) and mistakes are made (i.e. Katrina, Iraq, oil companies reporting record profits, etc).

Some of you really have a hard time grasping politics, its quite obvious.

if you think politics are obvious then you must be the one that doesn't grasp them...

 

[PhreakV]

I said proof

Anger in Egypt as Condoleezza Rice lectures on democracy but backs Mubarak:
http://usa.mediamonitors.net/headli..._rice_lectures_on_democracy_but_backs_mubarak

edit: didn't dig real deep for articles, but this was what came up (must admit though that she hasn't necessarily angered many specifically or publicly), more to follow if you really want it...

 

[MinivanHunter]

Anyone else think this is inevitable within the next year? Cheney is facing charges and will have to step down, next in line: Rice. If only Powell stayed in, wouldve been nice to see him there instead of her, no offense.

Cheney is facing charges ??? He will have to step down ??? huh ??