04' SRT4 to 09' Speed3 Convert

09Speeder

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09' Mazdaspeed 3
Traded my SRT4 last week for an 09' Mazdaspeed 3. Bought it without ever having driven it and don't regret it a bit. Smooth power, nice ride and my wife doesn't complain about the snug front seats or bark of the exhaust (for now) any longer.

Not going to rag on the skittle as it was a kick ass car to drive. Just wanted something new and different. I only plan on doing something with the exhaust and getting some new shoes in the near future.





 
swap out the wheels for speed6 wheels, they look so much better on the 3.
I'll be posting up mine for sale soon (shameless plug) lol
 
Welcome and congrats!! When I first got my car, I had a nice run with a SRT4 from 35mph. I was surprised to beat it! Started in 3rd, short shifted into 4th and didn't look back.

I figured, it wouldn't be such an inconvenience if I filled you in a on a few things about this car that you're probably going to ask about in the next week or two (Most new owners do..and a pleuthra of new threads start, asking the same question over and over).

Things To Know

Boost
The MS3 is equipped with a K04 Hitachi turbo. Because of it's capabilities and limitations, you WILL experience a drop in power past 5500rpms. The car is configured from OEM to only hold power until 5500rpms to avoid going full boost into redline. This is 100% normal! As you venture down the mod path, you may see this firm limitation exaggerate slightly. Most people with intakes, aftermarket bypass valves, exhaust or all the above will say they notice a much less violent drop of power past 5500 rpms but it's still in your best interest to shift under 6000.

Also, your car will be limited in boost in 1st and 2nd gear. You should receive all 15psi of boost in 3rd gear on up. A lot can vary that number depending on the season, temperature, yata yata, but you get full boost in all gears 3rd and higher. Mazda focuses heavily on safety so any heavy steering input to the left or right will also cut power output to avoid unsafe torque steer.

Modifications

-Intake
Seemingly the most valuable modification you can make to the car, it's seriously a fantastic mod. Besides the fact they range from 15-30hp in gain (depending on SRI/CAI), they also sound great and really announce the fact you have a turbo, compared to the conservative minimal noise in stock form. I BEG of any existing members to NOT turn this into a debate of SRI versus CAI. SRI's seem to build better torque, CAI's are still always a better bet over a warm-air intake. The rule is the rule. Colder air is better, regardless of forced induction or not. SRI's are just a lot safer and the threat of "hydrolocking" your CAI filter is non-existent with your SRI.

-Rear Motor Mount
In an attempt to make this car so quiet and docile, Mazda has installed some "softer" materials. One of them is the rear motor mount and in past years, it was prone to breaking. 1st gen members had engines falling out and it was all around pretty nasty.

Not only will a rear motor mount decrease wheel hop, it'll also give you a much more connected feel with your car, more accurate clutch and gear engagement with the trade off of slightly more vibrations in the car. Nothing unlivable, but you can decide based on how loud you'd like the car to be, inside.

-Short Shifter/Bushings

Continuing with Noise, Vibration and Harshness reductions, Mazda chose to install the stock shifter on rubber bushings. Replacing these bushings with TWM solid aluminum bushings seems to make a very nice improvement. Taking it a step further, TWM's short throw shifter results in 30% shorter throws and shorter height. It's a real joy, giving the car a real "go-kart" feel to it.

-Aftermarket bypass valve

Keep in mind, the car is MAF-equipped so a bypass valve is a decent upgrade, not blow-off valve. Buying an aftermarket bypass valve like the Forge (most stock looking and it's piston-actuated, very accurate, very good sealing characteristics) will result in holding boost stronger and faster on/off boost action. Your car is brand new so your stock valve is not leaking, yet. It will eventually flutter it's way into leak characteristics. It is an emissions warranty item so they will cover it once it starts fluttering or making louder noise because if it bypassing too much, but choose this mod if you would like an even more distinct sound, with improved boost.

-MSD Dashhawk

This should technically be the first mod since the car does not come equipped with a Boost gauge. A Dashhawk is an inexpensive way to datalog and monitor the car and it's capabilities. I honestly recommend this first as I wish I could have monitored the car and how it reacted stock before I made changes. Either way, it's a super valuable tool and I recommend it immediately!
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-Exhaust

It's been long determined by members that CBE's haven't changed the car in any heavy way other than sound. Although I still argue the fact it's a benefit to have on the car, some will disagree. For the most part, the stock exhaust piping of 2.5" is sufficient and the real restrictions are in the stock downpipe and cats. 3" isn't really required until you start pushing 300hp, but I still believe it's a benefit. Here's my thread I recently started regarding exhaust:
http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123742668

I hope that this helped at all!
 
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Kind of a downgrade you made when it comes to the performance/aftermarket of the two vehicles, but congrats none the less.
 
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Kind of a downgrade you made when it comes to the performance/aftermarket of the two vehicles, but congrats none the less.

Smooth power, nice ride and my wife doesn't complain about the snug front seats or bark of the exhaust (for now) any longer.

I only plan on doing something with the exhaust and getting some new shoes in the near future.

Guess he has nothing to worry about huh. Not everyone is buying the MS3 to make it more than it really is to begin with: a fantastic performance bargain with limitations like any car.
 
Nice post Silver Ex.

and to piggy back on that. if you want moresound from the CBE. theres no need in changing as Silver mentioned.

and if you want to keep your warranty in tact just cut out both of the resonators before the "muffler"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7MPJUpYsvI&feature=related

if you want more of a deeper "downpipe" sound to it. throw in a testpipe as well. it makes the exhaust sound alot deeper, bolder, throatier. i would speak with the service manager of your dealership, become cool with him/her. let them know some of the mods you are interested in doing and they may be cool.

mine is cool with Testpipe, FMIC, BOV, intake, and my two resonators being gone

the recording could have been better but i had to back far off ofthe car being that the mic on my boys iphone is so sensitive so it kept distorting. ill try and get another vid thats not so far away from the car.

video does the exhaust no justice
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=US7LG1rb-1Q
 
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Appreciate the input and the FYI's - definitely helpful from the get go. The skittle had tons of modding potential but I left mine bone stock aside from wheels/tires. It was still mean as hell and would pull like a crack'ed out elephant. Not a track guy or a mechanical genius for that matter either - just want a car that is capable on it's own and can rip it up once in awhile.

I ordered an Injen CAI that will be here this week and will be trying to figure out how to match it up to an exhaust that gives you that nice throaty 3rd gear deceleration (maybe 4th gear for a 6 speed?) burble. The only other thing i am looking for are some new shoes and these are pretty sweet (thank you in advance to the owner of this car who's picture i lifted). I could see the red lip getting played out in time but have not seen any around here so i am good with them - plus they are pretty damn tight!




Here are my newbie observations of the MS3 so far:

front end seems to float a bit
shifter is not as notchy as the SRT and gears are easy to find
the RPM's move quick and i find myself running pretty high through the gears
power feels good and don't notice the torque steer i keep reading about
the AC messes with the engine a bit
non-BOSE stereo sucks
MP3 media adapter plug in sucks (get all kinds of feedback and reverb)
trying to figure out how the TCS switch (off) works - does it work?
did not really notice the wheel gap until i took some pictures but not going to lower it - still looks good
SRT haters don't look at it as they are driving by and roll down their rear windows - fuggars
horn sounds like a big moped
always driving faster than i think i am
awesome car!
 
throw an amp onto your Sport system. it sounds amazing. I have a JL 500/1 mono for my 15" sub, JL audio 300/4 powering my Factory MS3 sport speakers. and a Pioneer avic Z1 headunit

i just installed my system about a month and half ago. i have infiniti kappa Door speakers to replace my Sport Speakers and to say the aleast, after throwing an amp to the sport speakers they sound rather amazing. i have yet to swap them out for my kappas. there is no need to

get an amp to power the sport speakers, they will suprise you. as of right now, my kappas will stay in the box

nice shoes!!...alotta of red lips here in florida
 
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240ka, I still defend the idea of getting a CBE. Regardless of how little you gain, it's worth it imo.

I haven't seen too many people try new headunits. I've always done that to my cars and been pretty happy with the stock equipment once I was able to tune the sound with the aftermarket headunit. I won't change mine now since I got Bose but I still think it has plenty of short comings.

Now, my mom's 2009 MKX with the THX sound system is absolutely to die for..damnit!

In terms of your gripes with the car:
-Suspension is floaty, another thing with Mazda trying to make it a wildchild but liveable everyday.
-A/C tends to just reduce any rpm float actually. It doesn't necessarily drag or load on the engine too much, but your rpms shoot down real quick between shifts. I actually sorta like it.
-The mp3 input isnt bad but it can be susceptible to ground noise.


-TCS/DSC is real tricky on this car lol..
Pressing the TCS/DSC button once actually turns off TCS. I know what you're thinking, "It says DSC off.." By default, the ECU will only let you disable traction control with the press of that button. So pressing it once will allow some wheel spin but if you start to rotate the car inappropriately, DSC is still on in the background to save you.

To completely, 100% disable TCS/DSC, you have to press the TCS/DSC button and hold it while starting the car. This will completely disable it.
http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123686624&highlight=How+to+disable+TCS+DSC

However, we've had members do real world testing and 1/4 mile tests to see which is fastest and believe it or not, having TCS/DSC on is still quicker! Again, as you start to mod (especially with your new Injen intake), the restrictions on the car are going to exaggerate and lighten slowly. My opinion is to keep safety options ON.
 
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he has a 09 sport. the trip unlock doesnt work for our 09's. 08.5's either
 
Guess he has nothing to worry about huh. Not everyone is buying the MS3 to make it more than it really is to begin with: a fantastic performance bargain with limitations like any car.

Do you really wanna get salty with me?


I'm glad he likes the car, cause they are in fact nice ass cars, BUT they don't have a killer aftermarket like the SRT does.
 
Do you really wanna get salty with me?


I'm glad he likes the car, cause they are in fact nice ass cars, BUT they don't have a killer aftermarket like the SRT does.

maybe you didnt pay attention to what he said.

how well does SRT4's handle in twisties? how refined are they compared to the MS3, how do they look compared to the MS3? and many other things

hence why he said

Not everyone is buying the MS3 to make it more than it really is to begin with: a fantastic performance bargain with limitations like any car.
 

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