Will the MS3 have the same issue as MS6 with a CP-E downpipe?

yea it will. the turbo's are the same hitachi K04 crap with POS seals. Some have lucked out but most of us have the smoke issue.
 
yea it will. the turbo's are the same hitachi K04 crap with POS seals. Some have lucked out but most of us have the smoke issue.



So it's the seal that connects right from the turbo to the downpipe, correct?

So getting a test pipe (elminates just the 2nd cat only) you should not have this issue?

Also if you were to get the corksport downpipe with a testpipe you'd probably have the same issue of smoking too?
 
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I have no smoking issues with the second cat gone. I did hear mazda is honoring the warranty even with a DP installed since its a known issue.
 
The smoking has nothin to do with the DP. the DP just help the flow of the exhaust gases.

Smoking = 1 of 2 things. Leaking turbo seals or Water/Coolant in your engine/mixed with oil. Neither is a good sign
 
The smoking has nothin to do with the DP. the DP just help the flow of the exhaust gases.

Smoking = 1 of 2 things. Leaking turbo seals or Water/Coolant in your engine/mixed with oil. Neither is a good sign



Yeah but the 1st person that responded to this thread said it's the way the downpipe is matched to the turbo and crappy seals that cause the smoke. Is there no way to fix this seal problem and how come it doesn't smoke with the stock downpipe but when you change out to a aftermarket one the seals leak?
 
i didnt say that...i said the turbo seals are bad. not the gasket that connects the turbo to the downpipe. Cashmere is correct also... It doesnt smoke with the stock downpipe because the two cats eliminate the smoke. Only way to fix it is get your turbo rebuilt or buy a new one
 
i didnt say that...i said the turbo seals are bad. not the gasket that connects the turbo to the downpipe. Cashmere is correct also... It doesnt smoke with the stock downpipe because the two cats eliminate the smoke. Only way to fix it is get your turbo rebuilt or buy a new one


Excellent............ and that just blows (pissed)
 
i didnt say that...i said the turbo seals are bad. not the gasket that connects the turbo to the downpipe. Cashmere is correct also... It doesnt smoke with the stock downpipe because the two cats eliminate the smoke. Only way to fix it is get your turbo rebuilt or buy a new one

When does the smoking start? I haven't had any problems yet on my current setup with smoking.
 
maybe it smokes because the turbo seals over heat from spooling alot quicker than it should since its upgraded downpipe and exhaust
 
As others have said in this thread, this is not an issue that is specific only to cp-e parts. Installing ANY free flowing exhaust system onto the SPEED3/6 will increase the chances of smoking at idle. In fact, if you read further in the thread the OP linked, you'll see that this is an issue that even affects stock SPEED6's, and Mazda is just now acknowledging the problem. Some people have been able to get their seals replaced under warranty.

Once again the smoking is not caused by CP-E's DP / Exhaust system. I had it before I installed their system as well as other people having it on completely stock cars. As for replacing the turbo, if the dealer gives you a new one and the old one has no traces of leaked oil inside of it then the dealer has to eat the money, or so it was explained to me.

1badsrt, Im wondering if the "vibrations" of the exhaust are loosening the DP causing it to release smoke under the hood?
 
The following are my thoughts on how the smoking issue and aftermarket exhaust components are related. Flame away... I posted this in the 6 forum but most of the 3 guys don't visit all that often so I'm double posting. Sorry.

The 2.3 L DISI turbocharged MZR engine is boosted by a Hitachi K04 turbo that is suspected of having faulty turbo seals. There are numerous reports of replaced turbos for this problem and an excellent write up including pictorial evidence in the Forced Induction section of the mazdas247.com forum. It would interesting if those that have replaced their turbos with stock or aftermarket units had experienced smoking that had stopped upon replacement of the turbo.
This missive addresses the belief by some that the aftermarket exhaust modifications (DP, RP, CBE) somehow cause the engine to smoke. The smoke in question is a bluish smoke indicative of burning oil. Contrary to most people’s understanding, smoke of any kind is particulate (solid phase material) and not gaseous.
Changing the stock exhaust does not change the nature of the materials leaving the exhaust side of the turbo. Immediately after the exhaust exits the turbo however, there are dramatic changes with a different exhaust system. An aftermarket performance exhaust typically will have larger diameter tubing, high flow or no catalytic converter, and a high flow muffler and resonator system. All of these elements work to allow the exhaust to flow as freely as possible out of the motor. They do not however, change the material before it leaves the motor.
The 2.3 L DISI turbocharged MZR engine that comes in the Mazdaspeed6, Mazdaspeed3 and the CX-7 is outfitted with a restrictive DP containing two catalytic converters and connected to a restrictive exhaust system. A three-way catalytic converter has three simultaneous tasks:
1. Reduction of nitrogen oxides to nitrogen and oxygen: 2NOx → xO2 + N2
2. Oxidation of (non greenhouse gas, but toxic) carbon monoxide to less harmful (greenhouse gas) carbon dioxide: 2CO + O2 → 2CO2
3. Oxidation of unburnt hydrocarbons to carbon dioxide and water: 2CxHy + (2x+y/2)O2 → 2xCO2 + yH2O
All of these exhaust elements result in increase exhaust gas temperatures relative to a typical aftermarket exhaust components. Replacement of any or all of the stock exhaust components will result in:
1. Faster exhaust gas flow
2. Faster expansion of exhaust gases
3. Cooler exhaust temperatures
a. more efficient exhaust gas expansion
b. shorter residence time of hot exhaust gases in the system
If our engines were burning oil from leaking turbo seals, it is likely that this hydrocarbon particulate could be oxidized to gaseous material all or in part during travel through the stock exhaust system for the following reasons:
1. reduction of the NOx gases will produce oxygen which will react with hydrocarbon particulate
2. Both CO and CO2 oxidizing materials that can oxidize particulate hydrocarbon
3. Oxidation of particulate hydrocarbon increases in efficiency with temperature, i.e. r = kt, where r is rate, k is Boltzmann’s constant and t is temperature
4. Increased residence time in the exhaust components will promote oxidation of particulate hydrocarbon materials.
Replacement of the stock exhaust components will result in less residence time, cooler temperatures, and reduced or eliminated catalytic converter function resulting in less oxidizing media. The cooler temperatures afforded with improved flow (aftermarket exhaust) will allow for condensation of hot exhaust products to solid particles or liquid droplets, in other words, smoke.
In short, an aftermarket exhaust will make your car smoke only if the engine is producing the materials (burnt oil) for smoke to form. In our case the oil is most likely coming from turbo seal problems. In any case, the exhaust does not cause issue resulting in the smoke, it just causes you to see it.
 
i jsut think its because the turbo spools up alot faster now that the turbo gets too hot. since it is a relatively small turbo. right? i think the only solution is a turbo change or upgrade the cooling system somehow on the oil and water for the turbo. these turbo were designed to perform a Standard in each motor and work fine how mazda tuned the car. upgrading things causes more heat and **** with the stock setup that normally works. turbo spools faster....seals will get hotter since its not tuned or meant for that much stress. this is my opinion... i could be wrong (braindead
 
The turbo does spool faster with an aftermarket DP. I'm not sure if that would cause excessive wear on the seals. I have seen people with stock exhaust with the smoking condition. IMO the seals are suspect regardless. Here's a comparison of stock, CAI+FMIC, and CAI+FMIC+DP boost spool up.

Dadasracecar_WOT_Boost_Comparo.webp
 
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