WhiTe SmoKe!!!

[duMb KeoLa]

yes i know, its been discussed before, but i need to know if anything could be wrong with my car!!! i drive the car and it feels fine...bo0sts nice, idles okay (loops from here to there), runs rich most of the time, and egt says its all good....but when i bring it in to park and it idles, white smoke comes out...doesnt really poor out, but it is noticealbe....so whats the deal with white smoke??? a friend told me that means that co0Lant is leaking into the engine causing it, another said it was because too much oiL pressure...well oil pressure reads at most 50 while driving, 25 at idle, so what do you guys think the problem is? thanks for all the help

 

[LinuxRacr]

Withe or blue smoke usually means oil from what I have heard. We need some expert opinions in here. Anyone?

 

[spoolinmp3]

Sounds like a blown turbo seal my friend, get a compression check and if all is well ............its your turbo

 

[starflare21]

yep, sounds like the turbo. also if you say the engine lops (loops or lops?) then check if it has a slight misfire. inspect the plugs and replace them if needed.

 

[perfworks]

yep, sounds like the turbo. also if you say the engine lops (loops or lops?) then check if it has a slight misfire. inspect the plugs and replace them if needed.

WHITE SMOKE IS STRICTLY COOLANT BURNING IN THE CYLINDER.
Oil burns you see a blue haze. Oil and a rich condition from an FMU will never get close to a white color. Please do a compression test like spoolin says, but more effective would be a leak down test to find the issue.
Good luck. I hope you didnt get greedy with boost.

 

[spoolinmp3]

Perf its confirmed!!
White smoke can be a blown rear turbo seal, I had this issue with the s2k and Jeremy and a few others have had white smoke billowing out due to a faulty rear seal. But make sure and check the motor first

 

[perfworks]

Perf its confirmed!!
White smoke can be a blown rear turbo seal, I had this issue with the s2k and Jeremy and a few others have had white smoke billowing out due to a faulty rear seal. But make sure and check the motor first

Spoolin i could see a synthetic causing this but not mineral oil.

 

[igdrasil]

It happened to me too.

1 minute after idleing, will throw WHITE smoke. My seals are gone.

 

[perfworks]

Can someone explain to mee why all your seals are blowing??
What kind of return line do you guys have? Even with slightly higher oil pressures you shouldnt be blowing them that early. Igdrasil what kind of oil do you use in your car, just out of curiousity

 

[igdrasil]

Can someone explain to mee why all your seals are blowing??
What kind of return line do you guys have? Even with slightly higher oil pressures you shouldnt be blowing them that early. Igdrasil what kind of oil do you use in your car, just out of curiousity

Synth Mobil1 10W50 i think.
I damaged my turbo but It was my mistake. It came with the center rotated wrong from spool-turbo. So I hooked up the turbo like that not knowing this was going to be an issue (oil feeding from under, return line above).
After a few runs, I noticed BLUE SMOKE, Lots of it and White Smoke at idle.

Now I have to repair it, Im thinking on doing it myself, its the only way I can learn, does somebody has a whitepaper on How-to do this?

 

[perfworks]

Synth Mobil1 10W50 i think.
I damaged my turbo but It was my mistake. It came with the center rotated wrong from spool-turbo. So I hooked up the turbo like that not knowing this was going to be an issue (oil feeding from under, return line above).
After a few runs, I noticed BLUE SMOKE, Lots of it and White Smoke at idle.

Now I have to repair it, Im thinking on doing it myself, its the only way I can learn, does somebody has a whitepaper on How-to do this?

the return line is what im concerned with. the diameter and routing of it. if the oil cant disperse as quickly s it comes in then it will back up and put pressure on the seal.
I would do what kooldino did to his. He did not use spoolin's line that came with the kit.
email dana and he will tell you what he did. but in regards to the seal repalcement, im sure that spool will help with that since it came from him clocked upside down.

 

[LinuxRacr]

I notice that the design of the BEGI/FP kits has a wide oil return line that is much wider than the oil supply line. I wonder is this has something to do with the longevity of the BEGI/FP oil seals.

 

[Kooldino]

Yeah, the oil return line is always wider for some pressure/flow reason, i guess. I didn't use the return line that Terry sent me, since it was 2x as long as it should have been. It would have nearly drug on the ground under the car. Also, I didn't use the same fitting he sent to go into the turbo on the feed side...i think i used a slightly diff fitting.

 

[Kooldino]

Oh yeah, my center section was also upside down from Spool, but I caught it the night I opened it, luckily.

PS-The only white smoke Perf is familiar with is the smoke coming out of his crackpipe.

 

[LinuxRacr]

(laugh) Oh s***, here we go again... LOL!

 

[igdrasil]

Oh yeah, my center section was also upside down from Spool, but I caught it the night I opened it, luckily.

PS-The only white smoke Perf is familiar with is the smoke coming out of his crackpipe.

OMG!!! so ...the greek...(stoned) ??
Now that explains everything (hand)
(lol)

hmm i better get the hell out of the way (outie)

Hey Kooldino, where you got that line from? Looks interesting. PM me

but in regards to the seal repalcement, im sure that spool will help with that since it came from him clocked upside down.

He wont, I have to pay for the kit repair stuff and the work, plus shipping.

 

[spoolinmp3]

Perf we have had like 4 guys with blown seals and I have been back and forth with garrett on this. Intially I thought it was the feed getting to much oil pressure. Well that was not the case because garrett advised me that even if you had lots of pressure nothing would happen since there is an internal reducer within the center cartridge. Then I thought maybe the drain line so we shortned it up.............guess what one of those 4 with the smoking turbo has the setup like DANA with the short oil line. Then I put a garrett on my car and I mad sure all the oil lines were perfect....................guess what!........smoking on my honda:mad: So I replaced the turbo to see what would happen and left all the original lines............guess what............it did not smoke

 

[spoolinmp3]

Unfortuantly we do not warranty turbos since we do not make them, the respective manufacture is responcible for this. Apparently garrett really has not showed interest or helped much. Kinda of how the rest of the aftermarket industry handles its warranty claims i.e GREDDY, TURBONETICS and Garrett. I have constantly been in contact with my garrett distributor and even he is being a bastard about it. So do we forsee any newly designed GT series turbos in the future on our kits

Perf, unsure and how extensive your history is with garretts on turbo cars but it seems to be the norm tha many racers say that the tend to be leaky turbos at idle and seal up when you drive them. There GT turbos do not have this problem and by the way Mitsu turbos rarely have these issues, they also like lots of oil pressure and are not sensitive to oil drainage issues.

 

[igdrasil]

So...how we get this solved...repair seals when leaking some serious oil, everytime and so on?

White smoke will eventually, on the long run, leak oil right?

I dont mind that white smoke, I can live with it.

 

[spoolinmp3]

whats happening is oil is leaking out of the rear seal and gets in the downpipe, the oil then burns off and becomes white smoke