Coming Soon! Phenolic Thermal Insulating Gaskets

[TurfBurn]

Hey guys (and gals),

We got our first prototype of the thermal spacers in. Nothing but great news regarding them!!! The fit and finish of them is absolutely fabulous. Also, our research has yielded a lot of great things too! We match the temperature ratings of the "other guys" out there as far as our material, we exceed the tensile and compression strengths, but most importantly of all we have a 30% better resistance to conducting heat! So that's great right there. Then the fact that the fit is as good as can be means we are really happy. Additionally, the stock hardware still fits great and gets plenty of thread engagement. We will happily provide hardware though to anyone who is not completely comfortable with the engagement.

So without further blabbering.. here are some pictures.

Thanks!

Steve
sales@nsnmotorsports.com

 

[TurfBurn]

And a couple more

 

[70]

It's "invisible"!!


Sweet!

 

[ddogg777]

Neat once again! What is the thermal resistance of the polycarbonate? I never imagined it could hold up better than phenol...

 

[TurfBurn]

Polycarbonate is .20 W/m*K versus .29 W/m*K for phenolic.. in other words phenolic conducts more heat which is less desireable... then as far as mechanical properties:

Tensile Strength-- Phenolic:93.1 MPA Polycarbonate: 73 MPA (approxmately 10,000 psi)
Operating Temp-- Phenolic: 284F Polycarbonate: 280F

While the polycarbonate is certainly a bit less strong, it is still more than sufficient for the kind of application it is being put in. The likelihood of it rupturing or causing any kind of problem is minimal. The worst case is it could crack at some point and you might develop a small vacuum leak. That would be about it as best as I can tell at this point. We are going to be put them on a car and run it for a few days to see how it does, but I think it should hold up in the long run. Polycarbonate is a rather tough polymer, nothing like acrylic!

 

[ddogg777]

Steve, put one of those in a can of gas for a few days and then check the surface.
It should be okay but some polys can be affected by it...

 

[TurfBurn]

That'd be mildly excessive LOL But sure... I'll try that... I have a feeling that prolonged exposure to pure gasoline can do some damage... but I'll check!

 

[TurfBurn]

Polycarbonate sheet is resistant to many chemicals including Acetone, Ethylene Dichloride, Gasoline, Hydrochloric Acid, Methyl Alcohol, Methylene Chloride, Nitric Acid, Sodium Hydroxide, Sulfuric Acid, Toluene

From:http://www.tapplastics.com/info/polycarbonate.php

so it should be good , but I'll test anyway! We try to be ridiculously thorough to the ability and resources that we have!

 

[Bigg Tim]

Sweet!!!! Are these port matched to the head as opposed to the IM? I was planning on port matching the IM to the head and if these are already matched to the head, then that's awesome.

When you're ready for these, put me down for one. Looks like I'll probably take just about 1 of everything you put out.(thumb)

 

[TurfBurn]

They are slightly bigger than the head ports even. They are an EXACT match to the stock gaskets. So you could port the head out by about 1/16" on all edges to match out to the gasket. But the gaskets leave plenty of room for porting the IM without restriction.

We will be fitting a car tomorrow with the part. Will also make an install manual from that! I'll have parts in about 1.5-2 weeks I believe.

Have a good one!

Steve

 

[70]

Sweet!

How do you plan on measuring temps in the IM before and after?

 

[TurfBurn]

I have ways I can do it (TCing the IM with a reader)... but wasn't really planning on doing so as it has already been proven with other manufacturers... but I'll try and grab some equipment tonight and do it if I can. I won't be able to log the numbers, so you guys will just have to trust me when I tell you what I write down... that'd be about the best I'd be able to do.

 

[70]

I have ways I can do it (TCing the IM with a reader)... but wasn't really planning on doing so as it has already been proven with other manufacturers... but I'll try and grab some equipment tonight and do it if I can. I won't be able to log the numbers, so you guys will just have to trust me when I tell you what I write down... that'd be about the best I'd be able to do.

That's cool. I know they'll work, but I'm sure some sticklers out there will want to see some numbers.

I trust what you put up...

 

[TurfBurn]

I'll have a witness too LOL... but yeah I'll do what i can to get it... it will probably matter... so might as well have it! Thanks for pointing it out.

 

[70]

No worries man. You do strong work and have cool products.

Every little detail kills the nay-sayers...(nana)

 

[Mad Hatter]

Woot Woot, the first one is on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (nana)

Steve, you can take it from here, I just wanted to brag!!

 

[TurfBurn]

As Chris said we got the first one on his car last night... AND he has CAI intake that use to rub on the master cylinder. With the spacer in there and a minor adjustment of one of the brackets he now has more clearance than he had before!

We also measured temperature improvements in the 12-15 degree or better range which is comparable to Outlaw's results. Also, it is hard to say how it directly compares as you don't know where they measured, and since theirs was done on a 94 probe it also effects how the air flows over the engine and so forth (and that makes a MASSIVE difference). So all in all perfect fit, dropped temps, lengthens the runners slightly, improved the intake fit for Chris, and overall very good results from the piece!

I'm going to let Chris run it over the weekend and then when he gets back with good results on Sunday night and the part is doing fine, I'll get the machine shop going on punching out a set of them for you guys.

Have a good one!

Steve
sales@nsnmotorsports.com

 

[roni]

little beavis is sending out his extra mp3 intake manifold to be ported and polished, and then it will be mine (probably later this month). i signed up on the other thread to buy this from you.

 

[TurfBurn]

I saw that Glad to see! You've talked to Jeremy recently? I'm going to have the parts cut next week/early the week after. So they'll be in hand in 7-12 days (shop lead time, nothing I can do about it!) But they'll be available at the time, and when they are good to go I'll let everyone know. I'm having a batch of 10 cut initially. I'm also going to work hard this weekend to get the TB spacer ready right away too.

 

[roni]

I saw that Glad to see! You've talked to Jeremy recently? I'm going to have the parts cut next week/early the week after. So they'll be in hand in 7-12 days (shop lead time, nothing I can do about it!) But they'll be available at the time, and when they are good to go I'll let everyone know. I'm having a batch of 10 cut initially. I'm also going to work hard this weekend to get the TB spacer ready right away too.

Yeah, I talked to Jeremy the other day. This sounds great, and it's perfect timing as well.
(yippy)
I will have my MP3 intake manifold for sale by next month.