Alternatives?

[Xeler8ing]

We got snow and salt. I noticed some of the Masdas at the parking lot has rust so that got me worried. Thanks for the response.

No worries.

It should be noted that from what I have read, Mazda's paint on the body is thinner than other auto makers.

 

[banjos-n-beer]

Recent Mazda's tend to rust out in the rear wheel wells.

The undercarriage is another matter.

 

[Xeler8ing]

Recent Mazda's tend to rust out in the rear wheel wells.

Rustproofing could alleviate this issue but depends if they get all the right areas

 

[akaeleven]

My .02

Here in Canada:

Mazda added protection (MAP) if you must have the warranty extended. If you don't want MAP don't bother with anything at all.

If you're a high-mileage driver the 5yr/unlimited is an OK value but it's still just a gamble. I bought that for myself for my '17 3 because I drive 36-40k per year and my car is critical to my job so the projected cost / km of coverage is better when I'm expecting to have 180-200 kms on the car in 5 years. Plus, I get a replacement car provided to me in the event it has to go and stay in. Of course my justification is all my own and it goes completely out the window if my life circumstances change but those are the only reasons I went with it.

If you are a low mileage driver and want longer coverage than the OEM 3yr/new car 5yr/powertrain the 7 yr / 160k I believe would be the only one that really makes sense... if you plan to keep that long and want to buy the peace of mind.

Keep in mind: You have up to 1 year / 20,000 kms to purchase Mazda added protection without an added cost penalty so you have time to think about it. You can still buy after 20k but there is added cost. Also keep in mind it's money lost if you buy it and don't use it. There is no refund if it's not used at all so if you can't handle effectively throwing that money away if your car is great to you and doesn't break then don't buy it. As mentioned you can put that money away and save it for if / when something eventually happens.

As mentioned I bought it on my 3 as it's fully loaded and high-mileage but we did not buy it on the new CX-5. It's a lower mileage car and couldn't justify the added cost to ourselves.

Re: rust proofing. My personal opinion is to go with Krown. Relatively low cost to get it sprayed yearly and if you get it in early in the cars life and retain your schedule every year it will carry a warranty as long as you keep up the annual treatments.

Other one time applications like Diamond Kote are a higher 1-time application up front but still require the inconvenience of a required inspection by an authorized facility yearly. Also required within a time window or your warranty becomes null and void. Some of these inspections still carry a cost - depending on where you go and what product you use - further increasing your possible savings "buy-back" vs a yearly Krown treatment.

For me: I Krown treat. I haven't had any issues in the past and it's much better than not getting anything at all done up here with what they put on our roads.

Forget paint warranty. You're better off getting it sealed /waxed at a good detailing facility if you don't want to do it yourself. Chips are going to happen no matter what, rust in chips typically isn't covered. Rust from behind is protected by the rust treatment...

Tire warranty: Don't bother as a standalone. If you end up getting MAP you get 100,000 kms of tire warranty and flat repairs with it. After that, replace your tires and buy tire warranty with the new tires if you must.

That's all the insight I can provide as being a fellow Canadian purchaser who's done a lot of reading / researching car shopping in the past year.

Excellent, thanks for the detailed advice. It's maddening to read all 200+ pages but only a few Canada buyers are pitching in.

I'll check that 7yr / 160k MAP before I get 20km.

For Krown, I read that they drill holes to apply treatment? That worried me a bit.

I'm planning to pickup tires from Costco and maybe add warranty by then.

Also if you are in Ontario, who is your go to for wax?

 

[banjos-n-beer]

Rustproofing could alleviate this issue but depends if they get all the right areas

Undercarriage yes, rear wheel wells no.

 

[Xeler8ing]

Excellent, thanks for the detailed advice. It's maddening to read all 200+ pages but only a few Canada buyers are pitching in.

I'll check that 7yr / 160k MAP before I get 20km.

For Krown, I read that they drill holes to apply treatment? That worried me a bit.

I'm planning to pickup tires from Costco and maybe add warranty by then.

Also if you are in Ontario, who is your go to for wax?

I would not let anyone drill holes in my car even if it is supposedly to protect it

 

[Xeler8ing]

Undercarriage yes, rear wheel wells no.

Understood. Thanks

 

[banjos-n-beer]

Understood. Thanks

I think it's just the way salt and whatnot accumulates behind the liner and the metal. Every early 3 and 6 I see has the same corrrosion, as did ours.

No idea if our CX5 will suffer the same fate.

 

[akaeleven]

To what end? This particular dealer is known for shady practices, especially in their services department, so I doubt anything would change.

I seriously considered unwinding, but at that point my trade had been sold (in WA you can sell a trade before a spot delivery clears), so they would have cut me a check for less than my trade was worth and I'd be out a car. I preferred having a new car and really love the 2017 CX-5.

Lesson learned. I just wish people didn't dick me around -- their attitude completely changed once I explained the issue to them, and they even sent someone out 2 hours (dealership was far from home) to have me sign the new paperwork, because they knew the bank was on their ass. Of course at that point, I did compare the numbers and they made right in the end. But to have to get to that point? A headache and completely dishonest

Ah that's annoying. My dealer tried to sneak in a charge on the soul red paint when my papers were "reprinted".
Called him outand he apologized but it left a sense of distrust on me.
I'm planning to find another dealer for services because of this.

 

[akaeleven]

I would not let anyone drill holes in my car even if it is supposedly to protect it

Same. Rust vs hole I guess.
I will have to do more research on this Krown thing.

 

[Xeler8ing]

I think it's just the way salt and whatnot accumulates behind the liner and the metal. Every early 3 and 6 I see has the same corrrosion, as did ours.

No idea if our CX5 will suffer the same fate.

Unless they changed corrosion protection, you might

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[Xeler8ing]

Same. Rust vs hole I guess.
I will have to do more research on this Krown thing.

Let know how you go please.

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[azntaiji]

Ah that's annoying. My dealer tried to sneak in a charge on the soul red paint when my papers were "reprinted".
Called him outand he apologized but it left a sense of distrust on me.
I'm planning to find another dealer for services because of this.

Same -- I will be taking mine to a different dealer for services for sure.

 

[Xeler8ing]

Same -- I will be taking mine to a different dealer for services for sure.

Smart move. Don't give them any chances

 

[Unobtanium]

Hey guys, just signed the papers for a 2017 CX-5 GT

Finance guy was offering me:
1. extended warranty (Mazda Added Protection - 60 months - NC60UN)
2. tire warranty (Diamond Kote)
3. rust protection (Diamond Kote)
4. paint warranty (Diamond Kote)

I declined all 4 but was thinking "what's my best alternative for each one?"

-3M clear wrap or similar from a trusted installer.
-Any tire from tirerack.com, or similar.
-Don't drive it in a bunch of salt, and if you do, actually wash it.

 

[Studum]

Excellent, thanks for the detailed advice. It's maddening to read all 200+ pages but only a few Canada buyers are pitching in.

I'll check that 7yr / 160k MAP before I get 20km.

For Krown, I read that they drill holes to apply treatment? That worried me a bit.

I'm planning to pickup tires from Costco and maybe add warranty by then.

Also if you are in Ontario, who is your go to for wax?

Krown will drill holes if you allow them to. They always ask permission first. They will still spray without drilling holes, just can't get it into all the nooks and cranny's, inside all the panels, etc. All exposed areas will still get hit. They re-use the same hole every year - I've allowed them to drill my cars and haven't had any issue. They immediately seal their holes, they're treated yearly with the spray and they always plugged after spraying. It's completely up to you if you want to allow them to drill or not.

I am in Ontario. In the past I've done my own wax on my cars but there's a local detail shop in town that some of the dealers use and I know people that have gone to and have been happy. My buddy took his 3 year old truck in and $300 later it looked brand new.

I have no immediate plans with what I'm doing to our cars with regards to paint protection but I'm thinking I'm going to talk to him about getting a paint sealer done. If that doesn't work out I'll wax them myself when time permits.

 

[Buzzman12]

I would not let anyone drill holes in my car even if it is supposedly to protect it

Just to chime in from Ontario Canada.
I've been rustproofing my cars since the early 80's. First with Zeibart, then with oil spraying.
Each treatment required holes being drilled into my new vehicles.
I can honestly say there has never been an issue with those holes that were drilled, in any of my vehicles, and I keep my vehicles anywhere from 10-15 years.
The key to preventing any problems is to put a small amount of grease or oil on the plastic plug before inserting. This keeps the water away.
There are different companies out there that do rustproofing and oil sprayng. Be careful who you choose.
Do not use one of these outfits that just sprays used (or new) engine oil around your car. That's a no no.
Stick to a reputable firm like Krown or Metropolitan.

 

[Xeler8ing]

All depends on how a good job they company does I suppose

 

[akaeleven]

Hey guys one last thing. I got billed for Silent Sentinel $699 CAD. Is this something you guys usually buy?
I read that it's an anti theft system where they etch your VIN to parts of the car.

 

[jlx21]

Hey guys one last thing. I got billed for Silent Sentinel $699 CAD. Is this something you guys usually buy?
I read that it's an anti theft system where they etch your VIN to parts of the car.

Nah man. If someone stole my car, hello insurance money and a brand new car.