Moly Oil From Mazda Factory?

[littlebear]

The oil does not belong to Mazda. It is made by Idemitsu Industries which specializes in chemical engineering.

Idemitsu did the engineering on the oil and made it for Mazda. Due to the tight tolerances, high compression, hot running temps of the SkyActiv engines, the engineers spec'd out the Moly oil.

I can attest that the engines run hot. I wish there was an oil temp reading but man, that oil when I drained it for the oil change was hotter than my other cars I have.

 

[yrwei52]

Out of curiosity, how common is it to do oil changes at 7k or 7.5k miles? I have a 2015 CX-5. My dealership is kinda pushy on getting oil changes at 5k intervals.

Depends on the HOW you drive the vehicle. There is NO one size fits all for all CX5s. If you drive grades in a desert environment with sand and dust everywhere, I would change it at 5k miles. If you drive in moderate weather on flat lands, then one can go 7k-10k miles on the oil. Depends on how and where you drive.
Earliest change would be 5k miles and the most would be 10k miles.
One shouldn't go over 10k miles since the oil will have fuel in it which cannot be burned off and contamination that cannot be filtered out by the oil filter. It's only $50 to change the oil so cheap insurance.

You can use "Flexible" oil change schedule to maximize the oil life and minimize the oil wastes! The maximum allowable OCI with flexible schedule is 10,000 miles or 12 months with Mazda moly oil or Castrol oil for more accurate calculation.

 

[Kedis82ZE8]

You can use "Flexible" oil change schedule to maximize the oil life and minimize the oil wastes! The maximum allowable OCI with flexible schedule is 10,000 miles or 12 months with Mazda moly oil or Castrol oil for more accurate calculation.

I will be doing 12 month change after warranty. I wish the factory OCI pre '16 allowed for this...

I only change every 12 months (synthetic Amsoil) on everything else not on warranty... never had an issue the last 25 years.

 

[yrwei52]

Are you referring to this from page 6-27 of the 2016 OM?
Recommended Oil
U.S.A. and CANADA
Use SAE 0W-20 engine oil.
Mazda Genuine Oil is used in your Mazda vehicle.
Mazda Genuine 0W-20 Oil is required to achieve optimum fuel economy.
I guess one could assume they mean the factory fill is moly....

That would be a reach. There is nothing there to indicate what the factory fill is. Only marketing to promote their own oil.

So when owner's manual says: "Mazda Genuine Oil is used in your Mazda vehicle", it's a lie?

 

[Buddywh2]

So when owner's manual says: "Mazda Genuine Oil is used in your Mazda vehicle", it's a lie?

Well... since it's established that Mazda doesn't make the moly oil, does Mazda spec any other OEM oil and brand it as 'genuine Mazda'? So a plain language reading of that blurp would be that Mazda could put any OEM Mazda branded oil that meets the technical requirements in for a factory fill.

As a matter of practicality, it's doubtful a factory would sole-source a commodity product like a motor oil. There are most likely at least two, probably multiple, different manufacturers' oils that are qualified for factory fill so they aren't brought to a halt if any one of them had delivery problems.

 

[erhayes]

BOBITOG site has a VOA of the "Mazda Moly Oil" and it contains very high Moly and Boron.

 

[littlebear]

BOBITOG site has a VOA of the "Mazda Moly Oil" and it contains very high Moly and Boron.

I did an oil analysis with the Moly oil and it had 3x the amount of Molybdenum than regular synthetic oil does.

 

[CX-5um]

Titanium vs Molybdenum? Here's the descriptions from BITOG website:

Molybdenum :

This is most commonly used as an anti-wear/anti-scuff additive and has an effect commonly called “Moly plating” where over time, a thin and microscopic layer of Molybdenum tends to form between contact surfaces, thereby creating a lower coefficient of friction between the two parts. Concentration levels of Molybdenum vary greatly depending on the formulation of each specific oil brand, and viscosity.


Titanium :

Titanium is a newer, more environmentally friendly anti-wear additive being implemented due to more stringent emissions regulations, and is phasing out the older, more harmful phosphorous compounds such as ZDDP (Zinc dialkyldithiophosphate). ZDDP reduces the effectiveness of the catalysts in catalytic converters by creating a plating effect when combusted, and covering the catalyst while Titanium does not. Titanium chemically binds to wear surfaces creating a hard, Titanium based oxide layer which reduces friction, thereby reducing wear. Concentration levels vary greatly depending on oil brand.


To me they appear to be two different additives intended primarily for anti-wear properties. Are they equivalent? Is one better than the other?


Molybdenum: We all know Mazda 0w20 Idemitsu has it.

Titanium : Pennzoil Ultra, Castrol Syntec wTitanium, ect.

 

[inlinev]

Just got a case of moly oil at my dealer for 81 with tax. Not as cheap as pennzoil or mobile 1 at Costco, but it'll do.

 

[Kedis82ZE8]

Just got a case of moly oil at my dealer for 81 with tax. Not as cheap as pennzoil or mobile 1 at Costco, but it'll do.

Good deal... I got a similar sub $7 deal.

I need to stop into my dealer in the next few weeks as I think my next change is latter September.

 

[RG_Flyer]

So when owner's manual says: "Mazda Genuine Oil is used in your Mazda vehicle", it's a lie?

No, I'm not saying it is a lie. What I'm saying is that Mazda may want you to use it, and it may be good to use it, but it does not say that it is the factory-fill. They probably use a conventional synthetic for break-in.
The original question was, "does Mazda use their Moly Oil for the factory-fill?"

 

[yrwei52]

Just got a case of moly oil at my dealer for 81 with tax. Not as cheap as pennzoil or mobile 1 at Costco, but it'll do.

Good deal... I got a similar sub $7 deal.
I need to stop into my dealer in the next few weeks as I think my next change is latter September.

The best deal I could find is from Med Center Mazda. I ordered three sets of oil change kit for $39.32 each including Mazda SkyActiv Technology oil filter, drain plug washer, and 5 quarts of Mazda 0W-20 Moly oil to avoid expensive shipping and 8.25% sales tax.

 

[ocinsomniac]

Not yet ready to do my first oil change (haven't even reached 1k miles yet) but I picked up some Mazda 0W20 Moly oil, some filters & washers so I'm ready when the the time comes. Went through my collection of oil filter cap wrenches to determine the size I would need, and the closest I can find is the 65-67mm 14 flute, but this size seems just a hair too small and won't fit flush on the filter. Also have an adjustable that will probably work, so I'll keep that in mind, but I do prefer the cap style. I don't use the wrench to tighten, but I know removing the filter from the factory for the first time can be a b****.

My question to you DIYers is - What is the exact size of an oil filter cap wrench to fit the Mazda Skyactive oil filter for a 2.5?

TIA
OC

 

[yrwei52]

Not yet ready to do my first oil change (haven't even reached 1k miles yet) but I picked up some Mazda 0W20 Moly oil, some filters & washers so I'm ready when the the time comes. Went through my collection of oil filter cap wrenches to determine the size I would need, and the closest I can find is the 65-67mm 14 flute, but this size seems just a hair too small and won't fit flush on the filter. Also have an adjustable that will probably work, so I'll keep that in mind, but I do prefer the cap style. I don't use the wrench to tighten, but I know removing the filter from the factory for the first time can be a b****.

My question to you DIYers is - What is the exact size of an oil filter cap wrench to fit the Mazda Skyactive oil filter for a 2.5?

TIA
OC

I ordered a "Genuine" Mazda Oil Filter Wrench A255 for $10.20 from Med Center Mazda along with oil change kits but it ended up exactly the same as https://www.amazon.com/dp/ (commissions earned)! (notcool) The size of CTA A255 cap wrench is 65/67-mm with 14 flutes. It fits Mazda OEM oil filter perfectly and not like other cap wrenches with the same size, which need tapped in to fit.

 

[ocinsomniac]

I ordered a "Genuine" Mazda Oil Filter Wrench A255 for $10.20 from Med Center Mazda along with oil change kits but it ended up exactly the same as https://www.amazon.com/dp/ (commissions earned)! (notcool) The size of CTA A255 cap wrench is 65/67-mm with 14 flutes. It fits Mazda OEM oil filter perfectly and not like other cap wrenches with the same size, which need tapped in to fit.

Thanks, yrwei52.......What I'll do is take a Mazda OEM filter to a local Advanced Auto Parts, Autozone, or O'Reilly's and see if I can get one that fits. If none do, I'll order an A255 from Med Center. Like i mentioned before, I have a 65-67mm 14 flute cap, but you have to slam it to fit over the OEM filter.

At least now, I know exactly what I'm looking for thanks to your help........

OC

 

[yrwei52]

I ordered a "Genuine" Mazda Oil Filter Wrench A255 for $10.20 from Med Center Mazda along with oil change kits but it ended up exactly the same as https://www.amazon.com/dp/ (commissions earned)! (notcool) The size of CTA A255 cap wrench is 65/67-mm with 14 flutes. It fits Mazda OEM oil filter perfectly and not like other cap wrenches with the same size, which need tapped in to fit.

Thanks, yrwei52.......What I'll do is take a Mazda OEM filter to a local Advanced Auto Parts, Autozone, or O'Reilly's and see if I can get one that fits. If none do, I'll order an A255 from Med Center. Like i mentioned before, I have a 65-67mm 14 flute cap, but you have to slam it to fit over the OEM filter.
At least now, I know exactly what I'm looking for thanks to your help........
OC

Don't bother to get "Genuine" Mazda Oil Filter Wrench A255 from Med Center Mazda because it is not a "genuine" Mazda cap wrench. It has no package or box with "Mazda" label but with "CTA" and "A255" wordings stamped on the wrench itself! Just get one from Amazon and you can read the review to verify CTA A255 cap wrench is a "perfect fit for 2014 Mazda3 2.0 liter Skyactiv engine OEM oil filter PE01-14-302A".

You can try local auto parts stores but strangely unless you can find a CTA brand A255 cap wrench, they won't fit the Mazda OEM oil filter even though they have the same 65-67mm/14 flute size as many people and you had already found out.

 

[paris1]

Don't bother to get "Genuine" Mazda Oil Filter Wrench A255 from Med Center Mazda because it is not a "genuine" Mazda cap wrench. It has no package or box with "Mazda" label but with "CTA" and "A255" wordings stamped on the wrench itself! Just get one from Amazon and you can read the review to verify CTA A255 cap wrench is a "perfect fit for 2014 Mazda3 2.0 liter Skyactiv engine OEM oil filter PE01-14-302A".

You can try local auto parts stores but strangely unless you can find a CTA brand A255 cap wrench, they won't fit the Mazda OEM oil filter even though they have the same 65-67mm/14 flute size as many people and you had already found out.

Why would you need an oil filter wrench except maybe for the first change when they are notoriously difficult to remove (having been installed by that infamous Japanese gorilla on the Hiroshima line)? After that, if you install it hand tight like you're supposed to, you should be able to remove it easily enough by hand.

 

[MikeM.]

True, I always remove and install all my oil filters with my bare hands (cx-5 included).

 

[ocinsomniac]

Not yet ready to do my first oil change (haven't even reached 1k miles yet) but I picked up some Mazda 0W20 Moly oil, some filters & washers so I'm ready when the the time comes. Went through my collection of oil filter cap wrenches to determine the size I would need, and the closest I can find is the 65-67mm 14 flute, but this size seems just a hair too small and won't fit flush on the filter. Also have an adjustable that will probably work, so I'll keep that in mind, but I do prefer the cap style. I don't use the wrench to tighten, but I know removing the filter from the factory for the first time can be a b****.

My question to you DIYers is - What is the exact size of an oil filter cap wrench to fit the Mazda Skyactive oil filter for a 2.5?

TIA
OC

 

[Chris_Top_Her]

I use my bare hands and Wesson canola oil.