EXACTLY! Look what Toyota and Subaru are doing with their new GT 86 and BRZ.
Would you buy a MAZDASPEED2?
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EXACTLY! Look what Toyota and Subaru are doing with their new GT 86 and BRZ.
I don't have much to say about the FT-86 / BRZ yet since there isn't any firm pricing. If it goes beyond $20k or so, it's going to do terrible. A V6 Mustang with 300+ hp goes from $22k.
Although I think the name BRZ is terrible. If my ass could spell, that's what it would write when when I fart.
Although I think the name BRZ is terrible. If my ass could spell, that's what it would write when when I fart.
SubCompactor
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No doors don't necessarily determine sport or sports car. However I believe that 2 doors look sportier (not necessarily faster).
If Mazda offered the M3 with 2 doors (hatch and coupe) the consumers that primarily used the two front seats (opposed to a full-tilt family "needing" to occupy the back seat) would gobble that car up over the 4 door models. I see a LOT of 3's and Very seldom do I see the back seat occupied.
Listen...... I love my 2 and the 4 door thing is okay, but if the 2 door came to the states next year, I'm in line to take my loss and trade it in.
But then you would be driving a V6 Mustang...
Read about the current V6 Mustang? They're actually really good cars. High 13's stock.
I'd have bought a 2 door too. But I'm not repulsed by the 4 door. Although, I haven't opened or closed the rear doors since I test drove it.No doors don't necessarily determine sport or sports car. However I believe that 2 doors look sportier (not necessarily faster).
If Mazda offered the M3 with 2 doors (hatch and coupe) the consumers that primarily used the two front seats (opposed to a full-tilt family "needing" to occupy the back seat) would gobble that car up over the 4 door models. I see a LOT of 3's and Very seldom do I see the back seat occupied.
Listen...... I love my 2 and the 4 door thing is okay, but if the 2 door came to the states next year, I'm in line to take my loss and trade it in.
+1 new mustang actually beat out the 370Z in Car and Driver's best handling test, and was right behind the Miata. At some point people are going to realize they can get a V6 Z for $34k or a V6 Genny Coupe for $27k or a V6 mustang for $22k, and the mustang will hold it's own. if you jump to the $28k mustang it's going to spank them for the same price.
or if you like turning, Mazdaspeed2 and pass them all in the corners!
Lol I know I just couldn't buy a V6. I'd have to save up for the V8 because there is always buyers remorse when you don't get the best thing to start with.
I guess you're really going to be disappointed by the price..... but I also guess you don't really understand the focus of the BRZ/86/FR-S do you? It's main inspiration is the Toyota AE86. Which is a legend in it's own right. It was light weight and a great handling car with just enough horse power. That's exactly what the BRZ/86/FR-S is meant to emulate.
I also think you are underestimating the BRZ/86/FR-S just a little bit.... It's about 500-600 pounds lighter than the Mustang and Hyundai Genesis Coupe. Not only that but the BRZ/86/FR-S will fit inside both those cars. It's not all about horsepower. As you should know owning a Mazda 2.
The Subaru will be the more premium model which supposedly will start at $24k, which includes a Nav system as standard, plus other premium interior amenities. ) The Scion FR-S will most likely start around $21k to $22k.
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No, I'm just not into the Mazda2 at all.
Sigh.
I'm aware of the AE86. Its status as a cult car is way overblown. A stock AE86 was nothing to cheer about. The warped past perceptions of the AE86 has really twisted reality. I've had a few friends with modded AE86's and they're fantastic when they're track stars, but most of them aren't.
The FR-S isn't really that lightweight of a car. I've read it weighing in at around 2,800. Not that it's a terrible weight, but when people try to put it in the category of true featherweight cars, it just isn't so. My CRX HF was around 2,080 lbs. My Civic DX was 2,281. Hell, my P5 was just barely over 2,600 lbs. I don't know what my 03 Miata weighed, probably 2400-2500, never weighed it at the track. Just for fun, my 08 Mustang GT weighed 3,350-ish.
If you're trying to imply I don't understand the virtues of lightweight/low horsepower cars, the few I've listed above should indicate otherwise. My main issue with the FT86 is the INSANE hype for a car that looks completely average on paper, and the pricing rumors. If they can make a decent base model from right at $20k, it would be perfect. Something tells me that won't be common and most will float above $25k which rapidly diminishes its value. I'd rather look for a used PRHT Miata instead. The reason I mention power at all is because the FT86 isn't terribly light, and I have the impression it's going to have a premium price for what it offers.
Side note: downplaying the extreme value of the current V6 Mustang is a bit silly. It's a fantastic little car that's super affordable, and if you're feeling generous, the added GT suspension package makes it handle really well.
I used to think that too, but it's a sweet deal. Although I have a friend that just picked up a base GT for $27k. With drag radials and a tune it was banging out 11.8's @ 114 at the track. Wow.
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Guys, can we stay more on topic here. We are veering too far right now.
MazdaSpeed2 with Skyactive!
MAZDASPEED2 - Mazda please put the 2 liter SkyActive engine in the 2. It would probable get better than 42mpg based on what the 3 is quotes at. Even better, cause a real stir and have the first ever MAZDASPEED Diesel. A SkyActive Diesel like the one slated for the CX5 would be truly entertaining to drive and deliver awesome fuel economy. Give us the 17 inch rims from the European spec 2, lower it ala Racing Beat MAZDASPEED Protg and the typical MAZDASPEED interior treatment. While youre at it can we please have a sun roof in the USA? It would be a shame to buy a new 2 and then have to take it somewhere to have a hole cut in the roof. I'm just saying, My MAZDASPEED Protg won't last forever and the 2 is closer in size to it than the evolutionally 3 replacement. There are some of us Americans that truly love a fast small car and I personally find the 3 too large for my taste. If anyone at Mazda is listening I'm 45 years old and carry my three kids (5, 7, & 10) around in the back of my 2003 MAZDASPEED Protg, so a MAZDASPEED2 would suite me just fine ZOOM ZOOM! By the way the MAZDASPEED Protg was my way of getting a replacement for my Miata that would fit my entire family.
MAZDASPEED2 - Mazda please put the 2 liter SkyActive engine in the 2. It would probable get better than 42mpg based on what the 3 is quotes at. Even better, cause a real stir and have the first ever MAZDASPEED Diesel. A SkyActive Diesel like the one slated for the CX5 would be truly entertaining to drive and deliver awesome fuel economy. Give us the 17 inch rims from the European spec 2, lower it ala Racing Beat MAZDASPEED Protg and the typical MAZDASPEED interior treatment. While youre at it can we please have a sun roof in the USA? It would be a shame to buy a new 2 and then have to take it somewhere to have a hole cut in the roof. I'm just saying, My MAZDASPEED Protg won't last forever and the 2 is closer in size to it than the evolutionally 3 replacement. There are some of us Americans that truly love a fast small car and I personally find the 3 too large for my taste. If anyone at Mazda is listening I'm 45 years old and carry my three kids (5, 7, & 10) around in the back of my 2003 MAZDASPEED Protg, so a MAZDASPEED2 would suite me just fine ZOOM ZOOM! By the way the MAZDASPEED Protg was my way of getting a replacement for my Miata that would fit my entire family.
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I'd buy one immediately. Like, right away.
+1. anyone hearing any murmers?
With the Abarth 500, FR-S, and Veloster Turbo all dropping around march/april of this year, and presumedly the Fiesta ST not long after, I imagine if it's going to happen we'll hear about it soon. If they're bringing a concept to Detroit they've been shockingly quiet about it thus far, and if we don't see a sign soon, i have to think it's because they just can't make a business case for it.
While it was awesome to see the Mazda2 Turbo, it was a little disappointing because it quite obviously wasn't anything that'll see widespread production. I haven't even heard about anyone making a front subframe for the 2.3 engine from that build, which suggests it took a good deal of effort / cutting / welding to get that thing in there (if I can't get an MS2, swapping a skyactiv 2.0 in or even an old 2.3 in sounds like the next best thing)
With them devoting as much engineering effort as they are to the skyactiv suite of tech, it wouldn't surprise me if we don't see one, unfortunately
i'd love to be wrong though...
With the Abarth 500, FR-S, and Veloster Turbo all dropping around march/april of this year, and presumedly the Fiesta ST not long after, I imagine if it's going to happen we'll hear about it soon. If they're bringing a concept to Detroit they've been shockingly quiet about it thus far, and if we don't see a sign soon, i have to think it's because they just can't make a business case for it.
While it was awesome to see the Mazda2 Turbo, it was a little disappointing because it quite obviously wasn't anything that'll see widespread production. I haven't even heard about anyone making a front subframe for the 2.3 engine from that build, which suggests it took a good deal of effort / cutting / welding to get that thing in there (if I can't get an MS2, swapping a skyactiv 2.0 in or even an old 2.3 in sounds like the next best thing)
With them devoting as much engineering effort as they are to the skyactiv suite of tech, it wouldn't surprise me if we don't see one, unfortunately
i'd love to be wrong though...^^^
I'm kind of surprised that Mazda hasn't announced one as of yet. Along with all those other cars that you mentioned coming out they've shown numerous Mazdaspeed-like concepts for years now. To me that tells me that they are at least thinking about it. I think if they make a Mazdaspeed2, drop a turbo for around 170hp, some suspension mods and modify some of exterior/interior to make it look like a speed version and stay under 20G's. I think it'll sell. Imagine a 2 door? (wow)
I'm kind of surprised that Mazda hasn't announced one as of yet. Along with all those other cars that you mentioned coming out they've shown numerous Mazdaspeed-like concepts for years now. To me that tells me that they are at least thinking about it. I think if they make a Mazdaspeed2, drop a turbo for around 170hp, some suspension mods and modify some of exterior/interior to make it look like a speed version and stay under 20G's. I think it'll sell. Imagine a 2 door? (wow)
well, the thing is that they're in a really good place right now to offer a Mazdaspeed Protege-esque package with the b-spec suspension (although i imagine with a fixed ride height), 3D Carbon kit (since it's been on pretty much every modified 2 they've brought to a show before the Tokyo Auto Show), and a turbo kit tossed on the stock engine, but neither of the collaborative kits (MSP and MSMX5) ever qualified as more than very niche players, and with the skyactiv focus, I just can't see them spending either the engineering or the marketing space on getting one out there.
I'm still watching Detroit eagerly to see if there's any sign of anything, but with no spy photos of them testing it anywhere and no reasonable concept on the horizon to point to, I kinda feel like we're all just an echo chamber of hope over here without any actual substance.
That said, i stand by my statement that if mazda is listening, I'd love to be wrong and will absolutely buy one.
I'm still watching Detroit eagerly to see if there's any sign of anything, but with no spy photos of them testing it anywhere and no reasonable concept on the horizon to point to, I kinda feel like we're all just an echo chamber of hope over here without any actual substance.
That said, i stand by my statement that if mazda is listening, I'd love to be wrong and will absolutely buy one.
You might be right about the obvious focus on their skyactiv stuff. But seeing all those "concepts" i have to think some one is at least thinking about it. Let's hope.
Funny that i see these Mazda 2 concepts online while visiting Thailand and thinking to myself wait a minute... that's no concept!! That's the Thai version of the front bumper. haha And i saw that 3D Carbon body kit on Mazda 2's in Thailand way before the kit was announced in the states.
Well, let's hope Mazda is listening but i don't expect anything at Detroit. Two newly hooked up Mazda 2's will be shown at the Tokyo Auto Salon though.
