505 Intake Manifold COMPLETED!

[MSP 2731]

the stock injectors seat correctly. as you can see.

there are no gaps that show through, they're just gaps on the inside of the runner, which i'm a bit worried. the welds on the outside are fine.hopefully they're good enough to hold it together.

the only logical way i can see the 440s working, is if the plastic orange piece at the base of the 440 is broken off, and the stock 0 ring is used there, that's the only way i see those working with this manifold.

Well ideally I want to use the 440s so if you can make them work do whatcha do. If you dont want to try I will sell the 440s and have to find some larger injectors that will work as drop ins.

And looking at the pictures it does look like those gaps will disrupt the flow and I'm also worried about integrity..

 

[magnumP5]

Not trying to be a jerk, but do all you guys referring to "disrupting flow" actually know what you mean by that?

I'm not a welder but you can't insure the insides of runners will mate perfectly like you are expecting. The only way to eliminate that gap would be to either have a perfect part (not possible) or to weld it from both sides (in this case, also not possible). My old MAM exhaust manifold was the same way. If you're that concerned, you can always fill it with some liquid metal and grind it down after it's dried.

 

[MSP 2731]

Not trying to be a jerk, but do all you guys referring to "disrupting flow" actually know what you mean by that?

I'm not a welder but you can't insure the insides of runners will mate perfectly like you are expecting. The only way to eliminate that gap would be to either have a perfect part (not possible) or to weld it from both sides (in this case, also not possible). My old MAM exhaust manifold was the same way. If you're that concerned, you can always fill it with some liquid metal and grind it down after it's dried.

In theory yes I do know what that means. How much it will have an effect in this application, no I do not. I trust Damian who knows way more than I do and who is finishing up my build so when he says he is concerned I can't help but worry a bit myself.

I do realize now that it probably isn't possible to get this section to mate perfectly and I doubt I will be able to notice any turbulence in the flow. I guess my expectations were set very high after so much time and energy was put into this project by all the knowledgeable folks involved and when I saw those pics first thing this morning I was a little disappointed. But I can accept near perfection as long as the welds hold.

 

[Dpwhitehead1]

i'm not too terribly concerned with flow disruption so much as holding up. that's my main concern. plus the 440s. i can fill the inside of the runners with liquid metal or jb weld or w/e if you'd like to make it look better..hold a bit better. that's totally up to you.

as for the 440s zach, that's again, your call. i've never taken that plastic piece off, i do not know if it'll screw it up or not. anyone else tried to take that piece off?? if so, i'll do it no problem.

 

[SeR_Cyclops]

Im not trying to be a dick guys but you all have to remember that these were made by hand. They are not going to be a flawless computer welded peice of work. Every single one of these manifolds are going to be different. Trust me Rich did not send these things out saying Ahhh that might hold a year from now. He sent these things out knowing that his product will be around and still be performing for a long long long time.


Thats just my 2 cents

 

[Dpwhitehead1]

Im not trying to be a dick guys but you all have to remember that these were made by hand. They are not going to be a flawless computer welded peice of work. Every single one of these manifolds are going to be different. Trust me Rich did not send these things out saying Ahhh that might hold a year from now. He sent these things out knowing that his product will be around and still be performing for a long long long time.


Thats just my 2 cents

we all get that. but when you see something like this, you just have concerns. if rich wants to chime in, we're all ears you know?

 

[blazinrola80]

thats why i will put my comparison under other hand made sheet metal intakes.. we paid 999$ and this is a flaw should have been taken care of before it got shipped out ither by filling it on the inside weld shut and port.. i dont even want to imagine the injector problems as i too have to install 1000cc.. this isnt my first hand made intake..

 

[505zoom]

Sorry guys my computer is still down, my backup is now gone, so it's been hell trying to get on here.

The small gaps where the runner meets the flange is not an issue. I had originally expressed concern to Wes about possible integrity issues, and he assured me that the gaps will not weaken the manifold. As far as flow/turbulence goes, Magnum is right on the money there. Some of the manifolds have zero gap and the tube sits flush. Some of them have a tiny gap. Epoxy can be used to fill in the gaps for anyone that is concerned about it, but really I would have already done that if I had ANY indication that it would be worthwhile whatsoever.

As for the 440's not working... again I have not tried them on my car, but I guess I am not familiar with this "orange tab". I don't see how they can work properly on the stock manifold, but do not work on mine. If someone could shoot me a picture of where the snag is, I would be most appreciative.

 

[SeR_Cyclops]

Here is my manifold:

I cant wait to get this thing on my car!

 

[MSP 2731]

Thanks Rich for clearing that up, I'm no longer worried.

Damian, no need to fill in the gaps but can you get Rich a pic of the 440s and the problem area when you get the chance? Appreciate it as always!

 

[Dpwhitehead1]

pictures aren't worth it honestly i've just spent about 30 mins trying to get the 440s to fit. basically i took the orange part off, put the stock injector o-ring on the bottom, too loose. it won't work.

zach, i'd suggest some RC or deutchworks injectors.

 

[505zoom]

If it is only a matter of the O-ring not working, and removing the orange tip makes the injector actually fit into the bores, then it might be as easy as just finding some O-rings that will work. If you have a set of calipers and can get me a measurement for what the ID would need to be, I will see what I can find.

 

[Dpwhitehead1]

If it is only a matter of the O-ring not working, and removing the orange tip makes the injector actually fit into the bores, then it might be as easy as just finding some O-rings that will work. If you have a set of calipers and can get me a measurement for what the ID would need to be, I will see what I can find.

i actually dont have a caliper man.. i wish i did. we'll see what's up.. idk.

 

[MSP 2731]

i actually dont have a caliper man.. i wish i did. we'll see what's up.. idk.

Any where close to you that you could buy a caliper? I'm buying if you can find one..

 

[Dpwhitehead1]

Any where close to you that you could buy a caliper? I'm buying if you can find one..

i'm about to go out and find some o rings hopefully.and a turbo stud to put the turbo on the mani.

 

[MSP 2731]

Nice! Just keep me updated.

 

[MakeMeGoFast]

Sears would be your best bet for the calipers

 

[Dpwhitehead1]

injectors in.. not too sure if this will work so well...but anyone feel free to chime in.

 

[blazinrola80]

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you can see the weld and this is using my camera phone

all 3

even a bad 4bbl mani i made when i was in highschool sits more flush then this and it has lil over 12 years of use...

the bad:

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honestly yes from my experiance.. this is a week spot.. what happens when one of these cracks? will you hold full responsability? jb weld no thanks this is a trick used yes.. but i would not use it in a daily driver.. where it meets fuel continuously.. if it manages a way to get sucked in to the motor and destroys my valve and piston no thanks.. this will cause air pockets i cant even port it out due to unknown thickness of runner.. i see my self filling in the gap tig welded and putting new injector bungs..

 

[blazinrola80]

Here is my manifold:

I cant wait to get this thing on my car!

is it me or did your get bent / broke where the throttle cable goes?