Stock Potenzas are horrible...

Where did you find the chart or whatever that shows the tire life?
My dumb ass has been looking for that on summer tires because they NEVER say what the milage of the tire is. Must be missing it

Go to Tire Rack (or just about any other large tire retailer) and you'll find charts with the specs on any tire they have for sale. For example, on our RE-050A Pole Position tires their chart looks like this:

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/Spec....=Potenza+RE050A+Pole+Position&tirePageLocQty=

The first number in the UTQG spec column is the tread wear rating. Lower is sticker, higher is longer tread life.

You really can't compare these numbers across different brands, except generally, but can use them within the same manufacturer. Across brands a 10% difference might not be a true difference. Just a general but useful guide.

Oh, and no manufacturer, to my knowledge has a specific mileage rating for number of miles of expected life for extreme, maximum or ultra high performance class tires, because they know we abuse the piss out of them. lol.
 
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I think I might go with Michelin Pilot Sport PS2's. They are $$$$$, but they are probably one of the best summer tires out there.
 
You're right, they aren't EP's, but they're not UHP's either. They're MP tires. It's a ZY rated tire, and according to their website, they have a tire life rating of 180 (which is horrendous).

Yes the Potenza RE050A is a Max Performance summer tire. Treadwear rating is 180 (100 equates to 7200 miles). So these are said to only last 12,960 miles in total. So if you are coming up on double that with these tires, I'd say it's time for a switch.

I find the Potenzas provide a pretty good balance of dry/wet performance and overall grip and response. They are nice handling tires for sure, but don't expect much out of treadwear or pricing with them. A single tire in stock size costs 207 bucks for god's sake.
 
I think I might go with Michelin Pilot Sport PS2's. They are $$$$$, but they are probably one of the best summer tires out there.

Not worth it IMO. You get a higher performance class and cheaper tire by stepping into the EP class... Do what you will, but I'm going to a Dunlop Direzza Z1 star spec in 235/40/18 when my stockers are toast.
 
Not worth it IMO. You get a higher performance class and cheaper tire by stepping into the EP class... Do what you will, but I'm going to a Dunlop Direzza Z1 star spec in 235/40/18 when my stockers are toast.

On the stock rim? Isnt that stretching it a bit? Also, I am slightly concerned with noise/ride comfort. The PS2's are simply awesome. My mom's 335i comes with those from the factory, and although they are 255 rear, and 225 front, they are amazing tires. The car is definitely adding to the tires, but I like them a lot. Are the Z1's quiet/ Comfortable? I dont realy care about a/s that much. IN California, its either hot, or a little rain (not much) and occasionally dips into the low 20's, but not enough to have to be concerned...
 
Yes the Potenza RE050A is a Max Performance summer tire. Treadwear rating is 180 (100 equates to 7200 miles). So these are said to only last 12,960 miles in total. So if you are coming up on double that with these tires, I'd say it's time for a switch.


Actually, the stock 215/45/R18 RE050As (note that the MS3 did NOT come with the "Pole Position" variant, as was mentioned earlier) have a 140 UTQG treadwear rating...

Also, I don't know where you came up that "100 equates to 7200 miles" garbage, but that isn't how it works...

Each manufacturer pretty much has their own standard, and the numbers can only be used to compare across tires made by the same manufacturer (as has already been mentioned in this thread). The numbers simply represent relative wear, meaning that a 200 treadwear tire will theoretically last twice as long as a 100 treadwear tire made by the same manufacturer.

...and to those of you who say you'll have a hard time finding a better tire than the RE050A, you're simply not looking hard enough.

While it is a great summer-only tire, there are several that are much better, and even more that are "better" if you factor in cost.

Examples:

-Dunlop Direzza Z1 Star Spec
-Kumho Ecsta XS
-Nitto NT-05
-Falken Azenis RT-615
-Bridgestone RE-01 (discontinued)
-Bridgestone RE-11 (already mentioned)
-Hankook R-S3 (a reasonably new tire, but initial reviews lead me to believe that they would outperform the RE050A)

I've had personal experience with the Kumhos, Nittos, and Falkens above, and can say that without a doubt, they are better performing tires than the OEM RE050As.

I put about 10K mile on my RE050As before taking them off, but they still have a few thousand miles left in them. I rotated every 2500 miles, and kept them at around 34-36 psi (cold) throughout their use. They saw one long open-track weekend (a couple hundred HARD track miles on a relatively tight, braking-heavy circuit) and a couple of autocross events.

I've gotten similar mileage out of the Kumho XS and Nitto NT-05 on this car.
 
^^Thanks. I now seem to remember reading that at least once before, but it had completely left my conciousness...

Regardless, using that as a general rule (at least in my experience) is next to worthless (which is probably why I didn't remember it
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I'd run 225/40's, no biggie. It's a little extra width and not overwhelming. 225/45 and it looks like monster truck tires.

hopefully, I'll be going with 18x9 +38 on a 235/40/18 tire when I get my new wheels. I just dont want it to look like a cholo mobile and have them all sticking out past the fenders. like this guy. Same wheels, different tires, and none of that vinyl or no Rally Armors lol, but you get the picture...

go a little ways down the page,

http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123722119&page=24
 
^^Thanks. I now seem to remember reading that at least once before, but it had completely left my conciousness...

Regardless, using that as a general rule (at least in my experience) is next to worthless (which is probably why I didn't remember it
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That was a heck of an apology after telling somebody that their information was garbage.
 
hopefully, I'll be going with 18x9 +38 on a 235/40/18 tire when I get my new wheels. I just dont want it to look like a cholo mobile and have them all sticking out past the fenders. like this guy. Same wheels, different tires, and none of that vinyl or no Rally Armors lol, but you get the picture...

go a little ways down the page,

http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123722119&page=24
And how do you expect to keep it from looking just like his? they will stick out with a 18x9 bro! theres no way to avoid that at that size.
 
That was a heck of an apology after telling somebody that their information was garbage.

Perhaps that's because it wasn't really an apology...

Like I said, using that formula as a general rule isn't very smart, and just because it exists (and wasn't made up by the poster I replied to initiallly) doesn't automatically make it not garbage.

I wasn't saying that the guy who posted it was "garbage."

I said that the "treadwear rating of 100=7200 miles of use" rule is garbage, and I stand by that assertion.
 
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For sure, 18x9 has to be +40 or more. It's not going to look pretty. I wouldn't go no wider than 18x8.
My summer setup is 18x8 with a pretty much stock offset and 225/40 tires. Slightly lowered on Cobb springs and I have no clearance issues. The tires look good and most important, the car handles amazingly well.
 
My summer setup is 18x8 with a pretty much stock offset and 225/40 tires. Slightly lowered on Cobb springs and I have no clearance issues. The tires look good and most important, the car handles amazingly well.

how do you like the Cobb's? Im thinking either those or Eibach's, but Im not sure yet. Also, anything else done suspension wise?
 
Stock tires. 3 years/35500 miles. New tires go on next month. yes But i feel safer in rain then where they were new. Dont now why.

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