For Sale issues with yellow pro5 (anyone affected please post in here!)

tunersteve · Dec 8, 2009

What's the latest with this? I haven't heard from him, and he still appears to not have been online since 11/30.

dannyxcarr · Dec 8, 2009

i still haven't got a tracking number. going to contact montgomery county sheriff today, and then inform him that i've done so.

Discospeed · Dec 8, 2009

I wouldn't tell him anything, just inform the sheriff so it's easier for them to find him. You don't want him to disappear at this piont or make it harder for the authorities to find him do you?

tunersteve · Dec 8, 2009

For the buyers still having issues, I'd give up entirely on phone/texting the guy. PM or e-mail him with the history, but, as I keep saying, keep records of everything.

If you're really concerned about the cash, contact a lawyer and see what legal ramifications there might be to get your money back and at least leave a mark on his record as a result.

dannyxcarr · Dec 8, 2009

if he's the the record he does, apparently he's not very good at running... not that i want him to start trying now.

dannyxcarr · Dec 8, 2009

tunersteve said:
For the buyers still having issues, I'd give up entirely on phone/texting the guy. PM or e-mail him with the history, but, as I keep saying, keep records of everything.

If you're really concerned about the cash, contact a lawyer and see what legal ramifications there might be to get your money back and at least leave a mark on his record as a result.

lawyers want money, and that's something i just don't have...

tunersteve · Dec 8, 2009

dannyxcarr said:
lawyers want money, and that's something i just don't have...

Understandable. That's why I said to simply contact one. They might give you simple legal advice (the consultations in person cost $$$ per hour) and steer you in a better direction. It can't hurt to try.

Discospeed · Dec 8, 2009

This guy can be arrested if everyone puts there info toghther and sumits it to the local sheriff office. He has stolen money From several people plane and simple and should be punished. The only way I see you guys getting your money back at this point is to either take matters into your own hands or have him arrested, and processed through the system to where he's standing infront of a judge who court orders him to pay you guys back. Have him arrested ASAP

yudkib · Dec 8, 2009

Discospeed said:
...have him arrested, and processed through the system to where he's standing infront of a judge who court orders him to pay you guys back. Have him arrested ASAP

IANAL, but i believe all you can do is pursue a civil case against him at this point. ForceFed mentioned that other people have tried this against this individual and he hasn't paid his judgements. so sending him to court again isn't really going to do much.
i believe to go for a criminal case, you have to wait for him to be delinquent on the civil judgement. that's a while off for the parties at hand, here, but if you could track down one of the other people, they should be able to move things forward. i dont know what the next step is for delinquent payments (i.e. another 60 days once its brought to court vs. straight to jail) but they are much further into this than the people in the thread.
again, NOT legal advice. just what i understand of the law.

Discospeed · Dec 8, 2009

This guy is a habitable offender, so if he's in front of the judge again your right he's probably not going to pay these guys back BUT the judge is going to through the book at him for doing this to how many people/times? He'll end up doing 6-12 months plus probation. At least he'll get what's coming to him!

yudkib · Dec 8, 2009

youre right, but thats only if a criminal case is brought against him, which they may not be able to do for something like this. they might have to do another civil case until he is delinquent on the judgement, then it goes to a criminal case and he would be put away as a repeat offender. thats why im saying to contact the people who have unpaid judgements leveraged against him, if they brought him to criminal court, the people in this thread could testify against him.

i believe if you want to send it directly to a criminal case you have to prove that he didnt have the stuff and/or didnt plan on ever giving it to you. since he has dated pictures, this would be a tough sell. so you could go to police, but theyre going to tell you its a private debt that has to be handled in civil court first, and come back to them when you have a delinquent judgement against him.
i could be mistaken so someone correct me if im wrong.

harrisonchang · Dec 8, 2009

bringing him to court really won't do anything to make him pay you back. It's not that important enough of a case for a judge to order officials to follow through on the judgment. SOrry for that guys.

Lawyers generally never give any useful information over the phone. They'll try to get you to come in and pay. But you can try.

He's already settled, like someone said he lives in a suburban community, and he's been caught a couple times already. Seems like he's set on staying there. The best thing to do is contact law enforcement and maybe they could scare him into paying you back.

This has happened to me a couple times, not just car parts but many other hobbies that I have or had. Often I never get my money back but getting arrested by law enforcement has yielded the best results for me.

Which is why sometimes I lean in the favor of vandalism.

ucMP3 · Dec 8, 2009

harrisonchang said:
bringing him to court really won't do anything to make him pay you back. It's not that important enough of a case for a judge to order officials to follow through on the judgment. SOrry for that guys.

Lawyers generally never give any useful information over the phone. They'll try to get you to come in and pay. But you can try.

He's already settled, like someone said he lives in a suburban community, and he's been caught a couple times already. Seems like he's set on staying there. The best thing to do is contact law enforcement and maybe they could scare him into paying you back.

This has happened to me a couple times, not just car parts but many other hobbies that I have or had. Often I never get my money back but getting arrested by law enforcement has yielded the best results for me.

Which is why sometimes I lean in the favor of vandalism.

I believe Tupac said it best... "Revenge is the sweetest thing next to gettin Pussy."

Another quote (Jay-Z), "They say an eye for an eye, we both lose our sight."

tunersteve · Dec 8, 2009

Guys, no reason to promote violence. That's most likely not gonna happen, and isn't gonna do anything to resolve things. Even if you do something, it doesn't get your stuff to you.

Sorry for sounding like a hippie, but I just wanted to point that out.

dannyxcarr · Dec 8, 2009

tunersteve said:
Guys, no reason to promote violence. That's most likely not gonna happen, and isn't gonna do anything to resolve things. Even if you do something, it doesn't get your stuff to you.

Sorry for sounding like a hippie, but I just wanted to point that out.

no, but maybe i'd feel better about beating the hell out of someone for $200, rather than just handing it over to someone never to see anything for it. not saying that i promote or condone violence, but at least i'd feel like i got something for my $200.

harrisonchang · Dec 8, 2009

Truthfully, there's a chance you guys won't get your parts or money, there's a chance you will.

The least you can do is make his life worse by making sure this s*** goes on his record.

tunersteve · Dec 8, 2009

dannyxcarr said:
no, but maybe i'd feel better about beating the hell out of someone for $200, rather than just handing it over to someone never to see anything for it. not saying that i promote or condone violence, but at least i'd feel like i got something for my $200.

I'm not gonna argue that. I definitely feel for ya man. This guy needs a swift kick in the ass and to lose some money to see what it feels like.

harrisonchang said:
Truthfully, there's a chance you guys won't get your parts or money, there's a chance you will.

The least you can do is make his life worse by making sure this s*** goes on his record.

Exactly. As bad as this might sound, if nothing comes out of this but him getting slammed by the legal system even more, and banned from any business on the forums, then it protects everyone in the future. I'm not hoping for that solution whatsoever (I want everyone to get their parts, and he'd still be a scammer in my book) but it's looking less and less likely that that's going to happen. I'm pretty convinced he's not going to show back up on the forums, since he hasn't read my PM yet (I sent it with a receipt).

dannyxcarr · Dec 8, 2009

i just got off the phone with my local police department. they said that because the transaction took place on a private forum rather than, for example ebay, it is a civil matter. there is nothing the police can do. what ever happened to the cyber crimes unit of the fbi idea? anybody persue that further?

tunersteve · Dec 8, 2009

dannyxcarr said:
i just got off the phone with my local police department. they said that because the transaction took place on a private forum rather than, for example ebay, it is a civil matter. there is nothing the police can do. what ever happened to the cyber crimes unit of the fbi idea? anybody persue that further?

I would think your local police couldn't do anything about it, mainly because it's an interstate affair. The FBI or your state police could try. You may also want to call the sheriff that was posted a while back.

dannyxcarr · Dec 8, 2009

i called them first... they told me i had to contact my local police first. local police said that because its a forum, not a sales specific web site, its a civil matter. i can't believe that there are no legal ramifications for approaching someone and offering to sell them something, then just taking off with their money just because it happened in a forum.

wouldn't that be like me walking up to someone on the street and offering to sell them something, taking their money, then just run away laughing? i'm pretty sure i'd be in a bit of trouble for that...