audi a4 vs ms6

[Skywlkr]

I would be careful on your decision. I had an a4 ultrasport, loved it. Last month it was totaled, and i picked up the mazdaspeed 6. At first i liked it, now im starting to hate it, i just want my audi back... nothing can replace the feeling you get when your driving an audi like that. The added power is nice in the ms6, but im not sure if im going to be happy in this car

Maybe this forum will be able to change my mind on how i feel about the ms6, im sure a few mods and ill be a little happier

Congrates on the car. Wait till you get your first maintanence bill, you'll be happy .

I would try going to another deal for service after you get the first to fix the rust. The dealer and the service you get will make a world of difference.

 

[Skywlkr]

I dont understand why people care about the best AWD system. I drove a subaru wrx before my speed and yeah the awd was better , but its not like I go rallying in the thing. Unless you plan on racing at the tracks or the likes then why does it matter so much ??? When im turning at an intersection going 15 miles per hour . . . the last thing I care about is AWD.

The speed 6 is a medium size sedan like an accord or camry. AWD is a nice component but its not what the car was designed for.

Everyone has a right to their opinion and I don't want to come across as being insulting or rude in this post but why dont you like the speed 6 ? Sometimes it just seems that people forget that this is not a high end car. What you get in the speed 6 is very unique. Its not extremly fast, doesn't handle like an evo, or have all the luxuries of an audi, but it has what none of those cars have . . . . balance (with a bit of zoom).

Perhaps I am a little bias because I test drove a new 08 audo A4 with AWD and honestly, I hated it. The interior was nice but overall I thought the car was boring, plain, slow, and I didn't like the feel while driving it. For 35 grand I thought I could do better. Audi's are not known for there reliability so I just didn't know what i was paying for exactly.

Anyway as you can probably tell I am very happy with my mazda and I hope everyone else feels the same way.

+1

 

[OJ Bartley]

The falling rock idea totally made my day, haha. Now every time i drive past it im going to picture that.

I think my first step after a few cosmetics is some suspension research to find what i want. Sway bars are a priority right now.... and thanks for all the input and ideas, it all helps me feel better about this car. Hearing people tell me how jealous they are of it lately doesn't hurt either.

One of my favourite cosmetic mods was converting the lighting over to LEDs. Let me know if you're interested and I can point you to some more info. Also, the shark fin antenna from Visual Garage is a popular place to start.

 

[coyfish]

Is the shark fine just a cosmetic thing ?? Seems like EVERYONE has one but me. Does it boost reception or anything .

 

[Skywlkr]

Just cosmetic. I actually reduces reception if anything, but I like the look so I did it.

 

[enjoy_]

ms3 antenna ftw

 

[somebody5788]

The MS6 is a great little car and from the sound of it pretty reliable. However from the looks of the engine bay I would never want to work on one lol. The Audi AWD system is far superior for its Torsen system which is also bullet proof. No breaking axles for the Audi guys making 500 awhp. The engines are full of sensors that do fail at a fair rate though in the 16k that I've owned my car all I have done is suspension components, timing belt, and the clutch which is very normal for any 144,000 mile car and why I only payed 4600 when the blue book was closer to 6000. When I first got my car and it still had all the bad suspension and slipping clutch I got a chance to race an MS6 (granted I thought it was a plain old Mazda 6 lol) and off the line w/ no launch I pulled for a tiny bit but then his turbo would spool and he'd fly past me. Seemed like quite a bit of turbo lag to me though (are they not twin scroll turbo's anymore?) For daily driving and luxury comfort I don't think you can beat the Audi even though mines a 10 year old 1999.5. Theres no doubt that MS6 is a very capable car but I would never be able to get past the FWD based AWD system I enjoy kicking the tail of my car out too much lol. That and I love the instant torque of an n/a engine. Makes it really fun to kick it in 2nd and do donut's in a wet parking lot.

I hope I don't sound like I am bashing the MS6 its a great car but I don't think the 2 cars are a good comparison. They both can qualify as sport sedan's but they just arent in the same class none the less. Wonder if the guy is on here that I raced. I'm in Warsaw, IN wouldn't mind see how we compare in some corners lol.

 

[Funky Mo Fo]

My girlfriend has a rare 2005 2.0T. It's a nice car but my 06 MS6 is much faster stock. Her's feels and looks a bit classier, but also cost a lot more. We both agree that I got the better car for the money.

 

[SMOKEYS36SHOP]

The MS6 is a great little car and from the sound of it pretty reliable. However from the looks of the engine bay I would never want to work on one lol. The Audi AWD system is far superior for its Torsen system which is also bullet proof. No breaking axles for the Audi guys making 500 awhp. The engines are full of sensors that do fail at a fair rate though in the 16k that I've owned my car all I have done is suspension components, timing belt, and the clutch which is very normal for any 144,000 mile car and why I only payed 4600 when the blue book was closer to 6000. When I first got my car and it still had all the bad suspension and slipping clutch I got a chance to race an MS6 (granted I thought it was a plain old Mazda 6 lol) and off the line w/ no launch I pulled for a tiny bit but then his turbo would spool and he'd fly past me. Seemed like quite a bit of turbo lag to me though (are they not twin scroll turbo's anymore?) For daily driving and luxury comfort I don't think you can beat the Audi even though mines a 10 year old 1999.5. Theres no doubt that MS6 is a very capable car but I would never be able to get past the FWD based AWD system I enjoy kicking the tail of my car out too much lol. That and I love the instant torque of an n/a engine. Makes it really fun to kick it in 2nd and do donut's in a wet parking lot.

I hope I don't sound like I am bashing the MS6 its a great car but I don't think the 2 cars are a good comparison. They both can qualify as sport sedan's but they just arent in the same class none the less. Wonder if the guy is on here that I raced. I'm in Warsaw, IN wouldn't mind see how we compare in some corners lol.

wow way to dig up an old thread. well first i wanna say that in my car when i punch it in the rain my car drifts on turns and from a stop can do a full 360. for some reason when u punch it all the power seems to go to the rear of the car. next i want to add my friend as an 2000 audi a4 with the same ko4 turbo in our cars and let me tell you that thing is fast. he holds 21lbs of boost on his car. i dont know how fast it is compared to my car because we wont ever race each other but he has driven my car and said mine feels faster

 

[MShreve]

Theres no doubt that MS6 is a very capable car but I would never be able to get past the FWD based AWD system...

Not true, although that seems to be a very common rumor.

All Wheel Drive (AWD)

* Front/rear wheel torque varies between 100/0 and 50/50 through an electronic
torque coupling mounted in front of the rear differential

* 100/0 is only used when the hand brake is applied or at low speeds during
tight turns (parking lot maneuvers)

* Many AWD systems in FWD cars require front wheel slip (viscous couplings)
before power is transferred to the rear, MAZDASPEED6 has a strong rear
wheel bias in most driving conditions

* Almost constant torque to the rear requires a water cooled transfer unit

Taken from page 34 of this document:
http://home.comcast.net/~matt.shreve/Mazda/Mazdaspeed 6 Technical Training.pdf

 

[somebody5788]

Wow I really made an idiot of myself. (freak) I assumed it was new because somebody linked to it on the Audi forum. Should of checked the dates. At least I am a Mazda fan if that counts for anything haha. Last car was an FC S5 RX-7 Turbo and I have an 05 RX-8 for sale w/ 14k miles and used to have a Turbo 626 (mad torque steer haha).

On the other hand that 50/50 thing and 100/0 seems to me it means FWD biased not RWD. Correct me if I am wrong. As quattro can do up to 30/70 but also 70/30 and is normally 50/50 (those arent the exact numbers) and 100% mechanical using worm gears and some black magic I guess. But if I do a donut when I am done I can sit there and sit there spinning my rear wheels and slowly rolling forward. Only in a wet parking lot though cuz of 235/40/18 tires and lack of any real power (not for long).

FYI were respecting your guys lack of criticism on this forum lol. Your much nicer over here then our forum can be.

 

[SMOKEYS36SHOP]

yes welcome to the grown up forum!! fully equipped with moderators that don't take crap from people.

 

[Killer]

(peep)

 

[zinger002]

LOL!!!! mazda is not a poor mans audi. especially when audi is just a poor mans bmw.

geat real. mazda is a mans car.

 

[Stealth01]

I find it funny when people have reservations about a FWD-biased AWD system that shifts power to the rear wheels in a fraction of a second. Not enough to even be NOTICED. The breaking axles and diff mount bolts -- OK, I'll grant you those as bonafide weaknesses, but I've driven my MS6 in the snow on summer tires and it was simply GREAT. It launches grandly, with no noticeable shift from FWD to AWD, largely thanks to the computer selecting SPORT mode for you when it detects your launch physics.

The AWD system is NOT a weakness. I'd take it over BMW's RWD-biased AWD system any day.

Maybe it's not as advanced as an Audi (I would hope not, given the difference in price and expectations), but it's a very capable AWD system. Being "more advanced" does not always equal being better.

That said, if I could afford an S4, that's what I'd be driving...or even an RS4...R8...you get the picture.

 

[somebody5788]

At least neither of them are subaru's famous "symmetrical" AWD which is basically just a fancy name for saying it's got no torque bias or transfer capabilities lmfao. Though I think its not the same in the STi's.

Audi is not a poor man's BMW .... in many respects I find it superior but they are = in my book. Looking into getting an e36 M3 as either a 2nd car or move to where it wont snow and have it as my only car. BMW's interior just doesn't hold up to the Audi's.

e36 BMW dash
http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A9G_bDoOu...ce.com/assets/images/2228_97_BMW_M3_dash2.JPG

B5 Audi dash
http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p223/somebody5788/My cars/A4/dash.jpg?t=1249098602

you decide


On a side note I forgot just how much I loved the RX-8! I might have to go cruise off the last 1/2 tank of gas in it.

 

[Stealth01]

I might have to go cruise off the last 1/2 tank of gas in it.

LOL. In an 8, that should take about 5 minutes!

 

[somebody5788]

LOL. In an 8, that should take about 5 minutes!

Hahaha so damn true!

 

[MShreve]

The Audi 2.7 bi turbo is one of my all time favorite engines. Sounds amazing, crazy amount of possibilities.

I haven't actually tested the MS6 AWD properly...yet. We finally got snow around here (once every 5 years type of occasion) and ended up getting over 14". So I left the MS6 in the driveway and had to chain up the Rodeo to get around.

Maybe I'll get luckier this winter.

Edit: I also wanted to say that Audi is not a poor man's BMW. I'd take any Audi over a comparible BMW any day. I also think Audi's are much better looking. Although both are probably going to part you to death after 100k.

 

[Super Shredder]

14 inches aint s***. have you seen our suspension? i drive the Mazdaspeed Allroad over heea!