K&N Air Filter

HelionTBone

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2003 Mazda Proteg5
Hey guys. I've been hearing a bit about K&N air filters and was thinking about getting one for my MP5 that I bought last month. After searching through the forum I realized that there have been very mixed reviews and I wasn't able to find a definitive answer on whether or not a drop in version would help my MP5 (bluep5)

So I decided to just go for it and post my results for non-modders like myself. First off I should say that my car (2003 AT) is totally stock with the exception of the tires I just put on it (Toyo Tourivo 205-55-16 which offered a huge reduction in road noise). Second, I have felt like my mp5 works way harder than it should at high speed. Nothing scientific, just a gut feeling. Third, I've been very unimpressed with the gas mileage; I have the automatic transmission.

I bought the K&N drop in air filter, but before replacing the paper filter I took the car down a section of highway and set the cruise at 65 with the AC on. I noticed, as usual, that the engine was running between 3,300 and 3,400 RPMs. I then drove home and put in the K&N filter. While examining the paper filter it looked practically new but did have a small amount of dirt on it. If I had to guess I would say it had been used for 5-8K miles. As soon as I left the house i noticed a definite difference in the engine. I don't have a dyno to run on :) but it just seemed to be more responsive. Some people say you can get a 5 - 10 hp improvement with these filters - I find that hard to comment on, but there was a noticed difference. Then I took it on the same stretch of highway, set the cruise at 65 with the AC on and it was running at 2,700 to 2,800 RPMs.

So my observations are:
1. engine feels slightly more responsive
2. doesn't seem to work as hard in general
3. runs much more efficient at high speeds.

I can't comment on gas mileage yet, but I will add to this in the future once I have some data. I can say that my assumption is that it will have hopefully a 1 to 3 mpg improvement just based on the sheer fact that I was able to drop below 3,000 RPMs at high speed (usually once you go over 3,000 your gas mileage plummets). I drive 70% highway driving, so if I do see even a 2 mpg improvement I will realize about a $200 savings on gas annually (with the amount of miles I drive). That makes the $35 filter pretty attractive. Plus it comes with a million mile warranty, so its the last filter you ever have to buy and you can feel good about not throwing disposables in a landfill.

So, in conclusion, if you are a non-modder like me it seems like this is a no brainer. If you are a modder I would skip this entirely and go with a cold air intake system.

Thanks for the great site!
 
I don't see how using a K & N filter can cause the engine rpm to change at road speeds, it doesn't change gearing. My 02 P5 automatic with stock size tires runs around 3000-3100 at 70 mph. The red line is 6500 so it is not working too hard at 70 mph.

I tried a K & N in my P5 several years ago and didn't notice any change in engine sound, performance, rpm or fuel mileage. If you over lube a K & N, you may contaminate the oxygen sensor. I removed mine and switched back to a stock filter.

I find the P5 has ideal gearing for driving in the mountains. I just took my M3 sedan on a trip to Colorado and it only turns around 2600 at 70, good for fuel mileage but when I got to the mountains I wished for the gearing in the P5, it's much better for performance.

Clifton
 
I don't see how using a K & N filter can cause the engine rpm to change at road speeds, it doesn't change gearing. My 02 P5 automatic with stock size tires runs around 3000-3100 at 70 mph. The red line is 6500 so it is not working too hard at 70 mph.

I tried a K & N in my P5 several years ago and didn't notice any change in engine sound, performance, rpm or fuel mileage. If you over lube a K & N, you may contaminate the oxygen sensor. I removed mine and switched back to a stock filter.

I find the P5 has ideal gearing for driving in the mountains. I just took my M3 sedan on a trip to Colorado and it only turns around 2600 at 70, good for fuel mileage but when I got to the mountains I wished for the gearing in the P5, it's much better for performance.

Clifton
I appreciate your input, but I'm only telling what my observations are of a fairly controlled test. Do you by chance have a manual tranny? I'm finding that there is a significant difference in performance between the manual and auto. Thanks.
 
I put one in about 600 miles ago. No noticeable difference. I would say a low HP car like our Pro5's are pumping less air than most high performance cars or large displacement engines. And whats an engine but a fancy air pump.
I would be VERY surprised if it was even +5 HP.

I have had experience with drop in K&N filters in 5 vehicles and only the turbo ones had a noticeable change vs. a clean paper element.

But don't get me wrong its still an improvement and I feel worth it if you are keeping the car for very long.
 
I appreciate your input, but I'm only telling what my observations are of a fairly controlled test. Do you by chance have a manual tranny? I'm finding that there is a significant difference in performance between the manual and auto. Thanks.

I have an automatic transmission.

Clifton
 
Well, thanks for the reply's but I'm scratching my head (scratch).

I can't figure out why I'd have such a noticable difference when clearly you guys (and others on this site) saw none. I guess I'll just count my blessings.
 
hmm..i put in my drop in about 2 yrs ago and noticed a bit of a change..i think i got like 2 or 3 mpg more..not to mention, it sounded a lil different when u revved it and like he said, it felt a lil more responsive. when i took my old paper filter out, it wasnt that dirty either so i suppose the K&N made a lil difference.

anyways..most people say go wit the drop in filter cause supposedly our air boxes are pretty well designed i guess. somewhere i read u lose some torque wit an sri or cai? vs using the stock air box. i think tri-point was using the stock air box too(not sure which racing team used it). i'm a happy customer haha. i just wished i had the suction sound from an sri or cai haha..but its ok

btw i'm a '02.5 wit sportauto
 
hmm..i put in my drop in about 2 yrs ago and noticed a bit of a change..i think i got like 2 or 3 mpg more..not to mention, it sounded a lil different when u revved it and like he said, it felt a lil more responsive. when i took my old paper filter out, it wasnt that dirty either so i suppose the K&N made a lil difference.

anyways..most people say go wit the drop in filter cause supposedly our air boxes are pretty well designed i guess. somewhere i read u lose some torque wit an sri or cai? vs using the stock air box. i think tri-point was using the stock air box too(not sure which racing team used it). i'm a happy customer haha. i just wished i had the suction sound from an sri or cai haha..but its ok

btw i'm a '02.5 wit sportauto
Ha ha ha... thanks for coming to my rescue, kura808! I was afraid that people were beginning to think that I was full of crap. Am I to understand that you are still using it after 2 years and are still achieving MPG results?
 
after using it for a while, mpg is pretty consistent. i mean every once in awhile, i do the math and it comes out pretty good. theres not much u can lose or gain after using it for so long lol..but honestly, i still think it made a difference. not a big difference but enough haha

Ha ha ha... thanks for coming to my rescue, kura808! I was afraid that people were beginning to think that I was full of crap. Am I to understand that you are still using it after 2 years and are still achieving MPG results?
 
after using it for a while, mpg is pretty consistent. i mean every once in awhile, i do the math and it comes out pretty good. theres not much u can lose or gain after using it for so long lol..but honestly, i still think it made a difference. not a big difference but enough haha
Cool, well that's all I'm really trying to accomplish with a $35 part. I appreciate the feedback.
 
Good previous point on over-oiling maybe fouling the O2 sensor. Which also begs the point of how often should you typically clean & oil the element in normal operating conditions? (Mine is the K&N on the Injen CAI in the fender well, so it's gonna see more dirt than a stock box element too.)
 
Good previous point on over-oiling maybe fouling the O2 sensor. Which also begs the point of how often should you typically clean & oil the element in normal operating conditions? (Mine is the K&N on the Injen CAI in the fender well, so it's gonna see more dirt than a stock box element too.)
I've heard people say you should clean every 15K miles, however the box says to clean it every 50K miles. Not sure how often you should oil it.
 
This looks like a good spot for my question.

Is there an expiry time frame on air filters? I was looking through my service records and almost 7 and a half years later my P5 still has the original filter. It looks fine and dandy, but not sure if there is also a time frame associated with changing them.
 
In Canada the shop manual specifies changing the air filter at 24 months or 48 km. My filter is usually dirty at change intervals. The dirt is on the underside of the filter, it looks clean on top, as it should.

Clifton
 
HAHA. Thanks. I'd be the first to recommend checking the manual, but wouldn't think to do it myself.
 
I put one in at my last oil change and I definitely have noticed a bit of a change. It isn't all that noticeable, but it think that the exhaust note is slightly lower and it pulls a bit better for me.
 
K&N filter was installed on this past friday.
I notice more aggressive exhaust sound once passed 3K.
Everything seems to be more responsive, and it pulls better for me.
mpg will be testd tmrrw when i fill up. i usually average 31mpg city miles.
and im a man. tranny btw.
 

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