im sorry, but your argument just lost all credibility. Just how true is a scientifical fact?
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im sorry, but your argument just lost all credibility. Just how true is a scientifical fact?
well I gotta say, all this info really makes me want someone to test these theories out on the ms3! (Ken are you listening?!) Doc's tests and comparison make a whole lot of sense, but obviously this will be slightly different than what we will see on a top mount application. If we took a ms3 with plain aluminum TMIC vs PC black TMIC, ultimately I think we would see the same results on the initial dyno's, but if the cars were allowed to driven under normal conditions for a while then dyno'd, that would be the true test.
One thing is for certain, doc & enganeer's knowledge > mine, very interesting stuff.
One thing is for certain, doc & enganeer's knowledge > mine, very interesting stuff.
Well, let's test it.
Well, I spent last evening doing my taxes and pondering this whole conversation... And towards the end of the evening when I realized that I'd be recieving a sizable tax return along with my "economic stimulus" check, I'll have some spare cash to spend. Yay.
I have a speed3 with an untouched intercooler. I'd be willing to put together a test where we could run the engine to heatsoak conditions, dyno it with a stock intercooler... coat the intercooler with a ceramic paint, heatsoak it, and run it on the same dyno again.
Painting the intercooler with an enamel paint doesn't quite make sense when there is colorized coating available for "perforamnce exhaust-type" applications. If I'm going to do this, I'd like to give myself the best chance I can not lower performance.
This would be an interesting test because in exhaust applications ceramic coating is used to dissipate heat more effeciently, but on the same token anything being coated on top of the intercooler runs a chance of lowering it's effectiveness under a heavily radiated heat condition. It could really go either way.
Worst comes to worst I blow a little tax money on a more effective IC than stock... I'm not very worried about it.
I live within 10 miles of PG, Ken, and the guys, and I've met them before... so I'd be willing to work with them on this if there's any interest. I'm somewhat new to the area so I don't even know where to go for a dyno around here.
Anyone interested in seeing this?
Well, I spent last evening doing my taxes and pondering this whole conversation... And towards the end of the evening when I realized that I'd be recieving a sizable tax return along with my "economic stimulus" check, I'll have some spare cash to spend. Yay.
I have a speed3 with an untouched intercooler. I'd be willing to put together a test where we could run the engine to heatsoak conditions, dyno it with a stock intercooler... coat the intercooler with a ceramic paint, heatsoak it, and run it on the same dyno again.
Painting the intercooler with an enamel paint doesn't quite make sense when there is colorized coating available for "perforamnce exhaust-type" applications. If I'm going to do this, I'd like to give myself the best chance I can not lower performance.
This would be an interesting test because in exhaust applications ceramic coating is used to dissipate heat more effeciently, but on the same token anything being coated on top of the intercooler runs a chance of lowering it's effectiveness under a heavily radiated heat condition. It could really go either way.
Worst comes to worst I blow a little tax money on a more effective IC than stock... I'm not very worried about it.
I live within 10 miles of PG, Ken, and the guys, and I've met them before... so I'd be willing to work with them on this if there's any interest. I'm somewhat new to the area so I don't even know where to go for a dyno around here.
Anyone interested in seeing this?
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Check out the ceramic coatings a little more carefully. They are not used on exhaust applications because they dissipate heat more effectively. they are used because ceramics will typically survive exhaust temperatures better than non-ceramic coatings. The coefficient of heat transfer is actually quite poor for ceramics, that is why ceramics are used to line kilns. You do not need the performance of ceramics at intercooler temperatures and it would probably be your worst choice for heat transmission.
What kind of inlet air temps do you see on a turbocharged diesel?
-enganear
Just checking, our IAT temperatures are between 95-105 with either sri or Cai. This is based on dicussions I imagine both you guys were aware of. Please correct if wrong. Just trying to guess where this ends up! And do some testing. But Doc, do it on the stock ic, You already have a baseline. Pull it and treat it with whatever you decide then run it,measure, etc. Then get the Upgraded cooler anyways from the sponsoring group because it is your best investment.
We usually see IAT of between 70 and 90 on the fresh air intake, the biggest variation is between idling and moving, obviously. The secondary intake, past the compressor is upwards of 250. You taught me something on the ceramics. It was something that had come to mind, trying to think of high heat resistant materials. You are definitely correct though, Mr. Enganear.
I'd definitely be willing to test out the theory on my stock IC, but I'd like to come up with a material to paint it with that could potentially yield some interesting results (interesting besides a change in color).
Any thoughts on what that material could be?
I'd definitely be willing to test out the theory on my stock IC, but I'd like to come up with a material to paint it with that could potentially yield some interesting results (interesting besides a change in color).
Any thoughts on what that material could be?
Thinking.....
