talked to split second about their afc with NA Tuning!!!!
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Man, I've been following this for a while now, and I'm very tempted to try this setup on my MP3 instead of a complete standalone. I always saw the SS AFC and wondered why it couldn't be tuned to run NA as well as turbo. You say it's a special model though? So the standad AFC for an MSP doesn't have that output B?
no the mazdaspeed protege has the special model. its the psc1-020. it is the one ken sells.
i meant special for the protege, not for a NA protege. the 3rd gen protege's ecu are identical and run the same way.
timing is important for NA cars, it deff. should not be ignored. the reason why i wanted just a airfuel controller because i already have a mp3 ecu with the longer reach spark plugs. that bumps up the timming a little. but air fuel ratio tunning does give you a gain. my car is pretty fast now and it actually made me forget about turboing the car, lol.
NOTE - i have a new intake set up as well. the first part is the aem intake and after the maf sensor, i have a 6 inch filter neck attached to a velocity funnel. my midpipe is comming this week and i think im pretty much complete.
ill deff. get pictures of my engine bay with my new powdercoated valve cover and intake , and hopefully get a video up.
i meant special for the protege, not for a NA protege. the 3rd gen protege's ecu are identical and run the same way.
timing is important for NA cars, it deff. should not be ignored. the reason why i wanted just a airfuel controller because i already have a mp3 ecu with the longer reach spark plugs. that bumps up the timming a little. but air fuel ratio tunning does give you a gain. my car is pretty fast now and it actually made me forget about turboing the car, lol.
NOTE - i have a new intake set up as well. the first part is the aem intake and after the maf sensor, i have a 6 inch filter neck attached to a velocity funnel. my midpipe is comming this week and i think im pretty much complete.
ill deff. get pictures of my engine bay with my new powdercoated valve cover and intake , and hopefully get a video up.
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psc1-020. the air fuel controller
there is another model that does timming as well. it would work on NA cars but there is no point. it can only retard timming and thats the exact opposite on what we want to do.
the cars stock air fuel ratios need improvement, but open loop gets richer and richer when you put more stuff on the car. if you have a good amount of bolt ons, i think the air fuel controller is a good upgrade.
my car would be stoicheometric all the way untill 5000 rpms, then my open loop would go as rich as 10.0:1!! my car was begging for an improvement.
if your planning on buying a 626 manifold for NA, this should be considered. you will take full advantage of all that extra air comming in, and having the 626 manifold combod with a good tune with the afc, then its going to be a pretty big and notcieable gain.
a few weeks ago, my mechanic always made fun of my car untill i gave him a recent ride in it ( before the afc) and he was asking me what the hell i did to the car, lol.
there is another model that does timming as well. it would work on NA cars but there is no point. it can only retard timming and thats the exact opposite on what we want to do.
the cars stock air fuel ratios need improvement, but open loop gets richer and richer when you put more stuff on the car. if you have a good amount of bolt ons, i think the air fuel controller is a good upgrade.
my car would be stoicheometric all the way untill 5000 rpms, then my open loop would go as rich as 10.0:1!! my car was begging for an improvement.
if your planning on buying a 626 manifold for NA, this should be considered. you will take full advantage of all that extra air comming in, and having the 626 manifold combod with a good tune with the afc, then its going to be a pretty big and notcieable gain.
a few weeks ago, my mechanic always made fun of my car untill i gave him a recent ride in it ( before the afc) and he was asking me what the hell i did to the car, lol.
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it this model;
http://siteground207.com/~protegeg/product_info.php?cPath=281_21_31_49&products_id=866
with james' permission we will also post his map so N/A users can download it.
MP3Performance
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Will you be able to get a dyno when you have all the parts installed? Even if you don't have a stock baseline it would be great to be able to compare the hp curve and see how the top end looks. Relative HP wouldn't hurt either.
MP3Performance
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LOL, I'm in the same boat. I am in college also, and now that the semester has started I have no time for car stuff. I have to wait until may to start messing with the car again, because until then I need a reliable car. Winter gives me time to save up money and do research on what I will be buying. But when spring comes SS AFC here I come (whip).
Well, at least it's the cheaper one of the 2. Would be nice to have timing, but oh well.
Could i get your map? And any tips on getting one of these things installed.... Going to pick one up in the very near future.... Is it really hard to do-it yourself... Cuz i would hate to pay an absurd amount of money for a shop to install and tune it....
By the way how can i tell im buying the right one "PSC1-???" Is the code on the unit itself cuz we need the PSC1-002 correct? Is it labled on the actual product cuz from the pics i can find of the SSAFC it only shows the front which says PSC1
By the way how can i tell im buying the right one "PSC1-???" Is the code on the unit itself cuz we need the PSC1-002 correct? Is it labled on the actual product cuz from the pics i can find of the SSAFC it only shows the front which says PSC1
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well if you buy it from ken, it is the right one. split second made a special one for our cars since our cars need to have a voltage clamp as well. the model is psc1-020.
i think i posted the map on the last page already. but installation is no sweat, just take your time and make sure everything is going in the right place. you will be fine.
just make sure when you use my map, the air fuel ratios are ok, but they should be fine. make sure you get a wideband so your aware of whats going on. if you get a wideband, then you do not have to take it to a dyno. just road tune. good luck!
i think i posted the map on the last page already. but installation is no sweat, just take your time and make sure everything is going in the right place. you will be fine.
just make sure when you use my map, the air fuel ratios are ok, but they should be fine. make sure you get a wideband so your aware of whats going on. if you get a wideband, then you do not have to take it to a dyno. just road tune. good luck!
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we are, unless split second decides to not honor that agreement, the only vendor that sells the AFC/FTC that works on the Protege. the internals of the unit are not the same as the generic PSC units.
so if my friend bought it from pg its the right one? You know I would by it from you ken but the price my friend is letting it go is just too good. He's going to sell me the 626im and ssafc for $300 both brand new and he said he bought it from pg. Is there any way to tell if the ssafc is actually from pg by visually inspecting it? I do have a wideband that i picked up from ken in anticipation of getting a ssafc. ill search for ur map J.
faultfracture
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I wonder if the one that has timing control would work for a build w/ high compression pistons, since you would need to retard the timing a bit to prevent detonation.. then again it would only work during open loop wouldn't it? sorry for addressing a post from last month, I just started reading this thread
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you can tell me his name and i can tell you if he bought one from me. odds are if he is your friend i would say he is telling the truth, right
?actually, if you raised the compression, the car would be safe on the stock ignition timming. the thing is though, in order to take full advantage off of the high compression is advancing the timing, not retard it. so the ftc1 is useless for na unfortuantly.
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Here's a thought, why not just use adj cam gears to advance the timing?
