Turbo swap, 25R to 16G?

[madhattr0187]

My buddy has an old 1st gen eclipse GSX 1992, I have just a general question on doing a turbo swap from that vehicle to my 03.5MSP. Anyone heard of anyone using that turbo on the MSP.

evo3-16g is the turbo if remember correctly. bolts the same as the stock 14b turbo. wondering what kind of installation would go into this? kit? exhaust manifold that would bolt that turbo on for the MSP.

Or if anyone has a mitsubishi turbo on their MSP how they like it. ie the 16g 14b.

 

[fr0st]

uuuh im no expert.. but if you're not forged, dont go over GT28

the stock turbo is already MORE than enough so why put a bigger turbo ?

a 16 G is big
you'd have to make a custom manifold or atleast an adapter plate.

not to mention a downpipe and oil and coolant lines...

 

[madhattr0187]

I wouldnt even dare to boost over 8-10psi. In all seriousness I just want over 210+whp. If i wanted more i would use the GT28RS for 250+. Plus its free.
What I am really looking into is a manifold that would be usable for the 16G for the MSP.
Big turbo = fun lol

 

[fr0st]

like no.... realy no..

big turbo on unforged FS-DE = zoom zoom boom club for sure..

even at low boost...

look, the stock turbo at 10 psi is already dangerous without supporting mods and even then...

now imagine putting a 16G at 8- 10 psi.. you kill it within days, if not hours..even with suporting mods..

and swaping to a 16G your gonna need a new mani and down pipe and alot of stuff that will out weigh the cost and trouble of a disco potato (GT28RS) and your gonna blow it... even with a the potato.. it's dangerous when unforged..

you need to read a little on this engine.. you dont seem to know how it's built and what it can take..

 

[alexB]

Yes running a bigger turbo isnt that safe on the stock motor. But with a good tune and running a bigger turbo I would be more worried about having transmission problems. I think if you keep your air/fuel form leaning out and you respect the car you should be ok. Im no expert but I have been running about 240ish whp for about almost 2 years know on the stock motor with no serious issues. I dont drive my car like a dumb ass though. I know the risks and do everything I can to keep my car going strong.

 

[orng1]

like no.... realy no..

big turbo on unforged FS-DE = zoom zoom boom club for sure..

even at low boost...

look, the stock turbo at 10 psi is already dangerous without supporting mods and even then...

now imagine putting a 16G at 8- 10 psi.. you kill it within days, if not hours..even with suporting mods..

and swaping to a 16G your gonna need a new mani and down pipe and alot of stuff that will out weigh the cost and trouble of a disco potato (GT28RS) and your gonna blow it... even with a the potato.. it's dangerous when unforged..

you need to read a little on this engine.. you dont seem to know how it's built and what it can take..

Boost at your own risk!

I've been running a T3 60 trim at around 9psi for a while now. Other than lag and ocasionally popping of charge pipes I've been alright on my stock unforged motor fwith no problems for a while now. I have about 20k miles with a T3.

 

[S.A.MSP]

i made 260whp on the stock turbo...................................before it went zoom zoom boom, be safe, go forged!

 

[justanothermp5]

a 16g is big? wtf i saw that thing in my friends gst and its tiny
i got another guy i knew since i was like 5 and he has a gst thats got over 500whp, hes running an 80g turbo, believe me when i say that thing is quiccccccccccccckkkkk, sounds like a beast too, prob runs 11's in the 1/4 with 19'' rims

 

[low_psi]

You will have to make an adaptor plate for the turbine or have a manifold built. In addition, you'll need a downpipe and intake made. In short, its not a cheap upgrade.

 

[fr0st]

a 16g is big? wtf i saw that thing in my friends gst and its tiny

you sure it's a 16G and not a T25??? they had that ya know.

a friend of mine has a 98 and it came from the factory with a T25

 

[low_psi]

A 16G is a popular upgrade for a DSM...

 

[kamon8404]

Turfburns MP3 thats getting raffled off has a 16G. Check out his build.

 

[Captain KRM P5]

Turfburns MP3 thats getting raffled off has a 16G. Check out his build.

his motor is built to the hilt. if you find an old spool manifold they came with 16G flanges. that said, i really wouldn't want to run one and try and make alot of boost on a stock FS engine. big turbos are meant for top end. they tend to spool slower but build and hold great top end boost. you have to remember that 8psi on a T25 is not 8psi on a larger turbo. there is a gross difference in volume of air being pressurized and these engines aren't the perfect platform for that.

 

[jeffmsp]

its all in the tuning.

To me turning hard around a corner in these cars is more dangerous then what you are proposing.

 

[MoreBoostPlease]

16G out of a DSM is not a really big turbo. the GT28RS is actually bigger than the 16G is. I have owned 3 different DSM's and had 16G's in 2 of them, larger turbos in the other one, and never ran into problems if it is NOT ABUSED!!! I don;t care what anyone drives, if it is beaten on, it's going to have problems. But treat her right, and she'll purr all the way to the finish line!! B

 

[low_psi]

Thank you. I have no idea why a 16G is perceived as a large turbo on this board. Larger than the stock T25? Yes. But Garret only makes 2 or 3 turbos that are smaller...

 

[JDM Sam]

weaksauce turbos

 

[madhattr0187]

okay i agree that the 16g is bigger than the t25 but it being a big turbo is s***. first off the t28rs has a larger compression map than the big 16g. also the t25 wasnt on the gsx till 2nd gen. but this isnt a DSM forum so i dont expect ppl dont understand. and i can think of quiet a few cars off the top of my head that ppl have that are MSPs with the GT28RS non-forged.

2nd off i dont think anyone but one person even took my question into consideration and gave me a real response other than "why the fux0r would you do that?"

Anyhow thanks for your consideration.

 

[madhattr0187]

sides who said that i didnt have supporting mods? i may not have said any listing of my mods, plus i only wanted ideas of what i was looking into for a manifold type. ask before assuming is all i would like, some consideration.

 

[fr0st]

sides who said that i didnt have supporting mods? i may not have said any listing of my mods, plus i only wanted ideas of what i was looking into for a manifold type. ask before assuming is all i would like, some consideration.

well first off you got it all wrong... because you seem to be asking for some info but already got your mind made up.

think straight for a minute..

if 16G turbos were that good and that simple to install.... wouldn't some of the FORGED members be runing this ? or better yet ANY members running it? maybe it's because it's a hassle to INSTALL one versus a T28 which is better ??

another question you gotta ask yourself.. why put a bigger turbo on it if you won't be able to use it to it's full potential?

guys running T28 unforged have alot of time and money invested to keep the ship afloat.. if they tell you you'd be better off with a T28 then perhaps it's because they know better...