silverspd3
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Probably have to wait another year for the tuner capability. lol Haltech Stage 4 sounds good to me.
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Because is a known fact that the ecu close the throttle past 5k rpm.
I also want to say that I have owned 2 Accessports on 2 different cars. First, on my stage 2 WRX. I just ran base maps (off the shelf Cobb maps) and I noticed a nice gain. Nothing too crazy but it smoothed the power band out and made the car much more enjoyable to drive. Second, a fully built GT35R powered STi. I paid Jorge $450.00 for my tune. This included 1 conservative pump gas map, 1 aggressive race gas map and 1 valet map (no boost, CEL is triggered if RPM is brought above 5k 
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Too all the people that base there opinions on the off the shelf maps and what it makes for the RX8, you really shouldnt. This is a great tuning tool and I believe with proper tuning, its going to take the MS3 to a whole new level.
) Too all the people that base there opinions on the off the shelf maps and what it makes for the RX8, you really shouldnt. This is a great tuning tool and I believe with proper tuning, its going to take the MS3 to a whole new level.
I understand that, and im sure that it has "something" a little to do with it, but the tiny snail doesnt help either. Cobb posted on the "other" forum the throttle plate doesent do much to cause the power to drop off, but they will turn it off for all the people who think it does. (lol2)
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i'm not saying the AP is worthless. i've used them on Subarus, including a Legacy GT with all the Cobb bolt up goodies. Totally different car after the flash and tune. What I am judging is that - right out of the gate - you are paying $700 for a system with one stage, no user tunability or shop tunability. i'd like to see a more complete offering for the rx8 than what has already been out commercially or homebrew in that market for the last five years. i do think the potential of the system is very high, but its disappointing that people won't be able to tap into that fully for some time to come.
I have no problems with supporting a product or vendors you like, I have a problem with taking a dump on someone b/c they dont sponsor you. Especially when the dump isn't warranted, its just rumors with no basis
anyway, enough of that, I apologize for cluttering the thread
Just to give you a little insight.. When Ford released the new 2005 Mustang GT, it was their first vehicle with the mysterious closing throttle body starting at 5200 RPM. This really nosed dived the power. Upon further investigation by SCT, it was founded that Ford did this to save on transmission life. The car picked up over 17hp to the wheels when overriding the pre-mature closing of the TB. It's not surprising to see mazda do this as the transmission in it would take a beating with all that torque overtime.
Ford is also know to cutting the amount of vehicle cylinders in half on automatic transmissions while shifting too. I know my Lightning has this function which i have overridden, giving me over 21hp to the wheels between shifts.
Its a numbers game for me, ill take every little bit i can.
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AutoXRacer
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Hey, not to stir up trouble or anything, but where are the AP hypers/followers...the ones that were preaching how the AP will change the world and how they are not wasting their money on mods because the AP alone would make better gains...????
(cricket)
I can't believe how much people hyped this thing and now that its close to come out... (bump) nothing...
Anyway, I'd like to see this product actually work and deliver what people were saying... It's just hard for me to believe it... (yawn)
(cricket)
I can't believe how much people hyped this thing and now that its close to come out... (bump) nothing...
Anyway, I'd like to see this product actually work and deliver what people were saying... It's just hard for me to believe it... (yawn)
i admit i was a cobb fanboy in the begining. i know all about the AP and its abilities. it is a nice tool. but IMO it is no better than say a SCT flasher or predator tune that sell in other markets for less than half the cost. i know the AP has extra bells and whistles that the others dont, but that doesnt sell it if you ask me.
look at user DREAM .... he spent $700 for the AP PLUS $450 to get a respectable tune out of it....$1150 !! WTF that is nuts ! i also have experience with many cars first hand that i have owned and raced personally, as well as many others that i see and work on with friends regularly. most cars NEED a tuning solution just to run decent with heavy mods. in all honesty the MS3 is NOT one of those cars. as long as you can feed it fuel it your wish is its command. sure the boost tapers a little and the throttle inst always where you want it, but i assure you if you look around and read why these thing happen, you wont be saying you want to get rid of these features. to slightly modify their actions ....maybe but not do away with them. the MS3/6's so far have been able to handle every mod whe have been able to throw at them ...yes ?? and numerous dynos and data logs show the cars run great with no ecu mods. there are at least a dozen cars on this forum that with proper tires can do 12's. i'm sure by the end of this season mabe even a few11's for the few going big turbo. and it can all be done with the stock ECU. i will not go as far as saying the AP is useless, but it sure does not seem to be a necesity like EMS is to other cars. hell my cousin could not even put a CAI on his new mustang without getting a reflash. just a cai on a new mustang will cause AFR's over 14:1 ! those computers a stupid !! to those who buy it ... good luck, and i'm sure you will enjoy it. for me my mbc and map clamp will do the trick.
look at user DREAM .... he spent $700 for the AP PLUS $450 to get a respectable tune out of it....$1150 !! WTF that is nuts ! i also have experience with many cars first hand that i have owned and raced personally, as well as many others that i see and work on with friends regularly. most cars NEED a tuning solution just to run decent with heavy mods. in all honesty the MS3 is NOT one of those cars. as long as you can feed it fuel it your wish is its command. sure the boost tapers a little and the throttle inst always where you want it, but i assure you if you look around and read why these thing happen, you wont be saying you want to get rid of these features. to slightly modify their actions ....maybe but not do away with them. the MS3/6's so far have been able to handle every mod whe have been able to throw at them ...yes ?? and numerous dynos and data logs show the cars run great with no ecu mods. there are at least a dozen cars on this forum that with proper tires can do 12's. i'm sure by the end of this season mabe even a few11's for the few going big turbo. and it can all be done with the stock ECU. i will not go as far as saying the AP is useless, but it sure does not seem to be a necesity like EMS is to other cars. hell my cousin could not even put a CAI on his new mustang without getting a reflash. just a cai on a new mustang will cause AFR's over 14:1 ! those computers a stupid !! to those who buy it ... good luck, and i'm sure you will enjoy it. for me my mbc and map clamp will do the trick.
i agree that for huge crazy stuff you may need a tune, but a manifold on this car.....wrong. the car responded to the manifold very well. it drives like a dream and gained 30WHP what more do you want ? again thats why these cars are different they dont need to be tuned for every stupid little thing. the stock ecu does a great job. you are also wrong about the injectors and MAF comment. those two items play off each other. if you wanted to change one of them you would have some seriouse drivability problems, but....
if you get new injectors and a MAF that is calibrated for them there is no additional tuning needed. been there and done that...a few times actualy.
you seem to know what you are talking about, most of it just does not relate to this car or its ecu.
if you get new injectors and a MAF that is calibrated for them there is no additional tuning needed. been there and done that...a few times actualy.
you seem to know what you are talking about, most of it just does not relate to this car or its ecu.
So your saying if you increase the maf size and the injector flow rate, its not going to need any tuning? Im just making sure im reading this right....lol
Sorry I missed this post. Dont get me wrong, I want more power and if making that throttle open all the time does it, then good good. Im just stating what Cobb said on that other forum.
no sir, not just the MAF housing size. the MAF sensor itself. you can run any size injectors with any size MAF housing. there are places like .......
http://www.granatellimotorsports.com/
who can calibrate a MAF sensor that will be in sync with whatever your setup is. all it involves is proper signal scaling to to ecu depending on your housing size and injectors. i had an 80MM set up with 56# injectors on my custom home built turbo mustang (low 10's all day) from those guys. i also had it set up for blow through application. it made the car super easy to dial in. i had a piggyback system called the EEC tuner. it was a very basic DIY tuning program that did the trick.
http://www.granatellimotorsports.com/
who can calibrate a MAF sensor that will be in sync with whatever your setup is. all it involves is proper signal scaling to to ecu depending on your housing size and injectors. i had an 80MM set up with 56# injectors on my custom home built turbo mustang (low 10's all day) from those guys. i also had it set up for blow through application. it made the car super easy to dial in. i had a piggyback system called the EEC tuner. it was a very basic DIY tuning program that did the trick.
redrocketz
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actually on my old thunderbird I put in larger injectors and got a Larger MAF that was specifically matted to those injectors. no ECU tweakage needed.
exactly... it is very common in the ford world.
lots of guys like to just swap in a cobra MAF and 24# injectrs and go to town.
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