blackdragon11
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- 2003 Mazda Protege5
somewhat interested... I'd like to have the safety features from the supercharger compared to a turbo. I'd probably be interested depending on more info about it if this goes through.
Gauging Interest: Protege Supercharger
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that would be fine in your car, but the majority of the non-forged proteges would snap a rod faster than you can say 'OMGWTFBBQ??' with a large turbocharger off of a supercharger haha
Mazdaspeed2oo35
600whp - 600wtq at 30 PSI
well i don't think im doing anything like adding a supercharger to what i already have. but probably there is people that want to go crazy and insane and build something nobody has and fast ass hell ...
+1 on this. It's the set-up I'd prefer (and I've been pestering some local people about custom-fabbing something like it). That gives you a ton of space for turbine upgrades, intercooling and twincharging.
I guess the "not ideal" part is the extra parasitic losses from the torque bar? Or the extra cost?
Another interesting kit is this custom Sentra kit that never made production:
But I don't think there's enough space to do this in the Protege engine bay. Still, it's an interesting idea, and probably simplicity itself to install.
I will not give up my AC, but I'd gladly give up power steering for more power...
Well, yeah..you wouldn't want to run tremendous shaft speeds unless balanced the torque bar properly - even then if its off by the tiniest bit, it would wobble at high shaft speeds....
obviously though, the torque bar doesn't move at the speed of the compressor...
unless the torque bar was driving at engine speed, and the gear head on the charger was stepping the speed up....that could work.
Cooling options for roots...by far the best set up i've seen is a water to air cooler sandwiched between the blower and the top of the manifold....so the charger blows through the cooler, which is kept cool by a seperate water pump....same goes for screw type etc...
Well it definitely sounds more reasonable to me and my goals.
I want a reliable everyday driver/weekend AutoXing.
The free flowing intake (no VTCS or size restrictions like the 626 manifold) and extra instant power would be great. I could then come slam on the brakes before hand, and then power out of the corner finally! This in combination with the upgraded value body on my auto and my UR UDP would be great! Then there is the exhaust mods to consider!
My only concern is tuning and automatic. If you make this work with autos, you will make good money. What I mean is not just saying flash in the msp ecu. Do we need any tuning or is the protege rich enough? Would the Spilt Second w/ timing be good enough to be a simple/cheap/user friendly tuning solution? I figure we do not have to worry about pushing more than 8 psi since we are thinking of running on stock rods. We have a good compression compared to a hyunda beta's 10:3:1, but they have stronger rods. Another interesting issue is oil starvation. Most turbos need oil, which with our engine is just playing with fire. The supercharger does not need to share the oil. I not sure what type of power realisticly we should be looking at on a stock FS-DE, but I figure 50whp (180 crank hp). Then just think what will happen with a UDP, header, midpipe, and exhaust! I am not talking about mad crazy power, I am talking about usable power. If your wanting mad crazy power, go with a turbo.
I think having UR UDP pullies in mind belt size wise would be a good upgrade. I also thinking a cooler in between the blower and manifold would be be great, the Alpine supercharger for the Tiburon does this. The real question is the cost and benefit worth it for such a low psi. Is the supercharger We need to make sure the blower is not too big since it's a I-line 4 vs. the Tiburon's V6.
What would really get people on board is if you can offer the kit with upgrades.
Stage 0 - supercharger, brackets, intake w/ filter, and anything else to make it work on a stock P5.
Stage 1 - cooling solution-the intercooler (between blower and manifold), water lines, water pump, and some sort of water-to-air cooler
Stage 2 - UDP or smaller pulley on supercharger.
Just a thought.
I want a reliable everyday driver/weekend AutoXing.
The free flowing intake (no VTCS or size restrictions like the 626 manifold) and extra instant power would be great. I could then come slam on the brakes before hand, and then power out of the corner finally! This in combination with the upgraded value body on my auto and my UR UDP would be great! Then there is the exhaust mods to consider!
My only concern is tuning and automatic. If you make this work with autos, you will make good money. What I mean is not just saying flash in the msp ecu. Do we need any tuning or is the protege rich enough? Would the Spilt Second w/ timing be good enough to be a simple/cheap/user friendly tuning solution? I figure we do not have to worry about pushing more than 8 psi since we are thinking of running on stock rods. We have a good compression compared to a hyunda beta's 10:3:1, but they have stronger rods. Another interesting issue is oil starvation. Most turbos need oil, which with our engine is just playing with fire. The supercharger does not need to share the oil. I not sure what type of power realisticly we should be looking at on a stock FS-DE, but I figure 50whp (180 crank hp). Then just think what will happen with a UDP, header, midpipe, and exhaust! I am not talking about mad crazy power, I am talking about usable power. If your wanting mad crazy power, go with a turbo.
I think having UR UDP pullies in mind belt size wise would be a good upgrade. I also thinking a cooler in between the blower and manifold would be be great, the Alpine supercharger for the Tiburon does this. The real question is the cost and benefit worth it for such a low psi. Is the supercharger We need to make sure the blower is not too big since it's a I-line 4 vs. the Tiburon's V6.
What would really get people on board is if you can offer the kit with upgrades.
Stage 0 - supercharger, brackets, intake w/ filter, and anything else to make it work on a stock P5.
Stage 1 - cooling solution-the intercooler (between blower and manifold), water lines, water pump, and some sort of water-to-air cooler
Stage 2 - UDP or smaller pulley on supercharger.
Just a thought.
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- 2002 BJFW, 2007 BK3P, 1979 SA22C, 2005 BK3P
hey where the heck have you been man? haven't seen you in ages.
SeminoleMan
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- '03.5 Sunlight Silver P5
A limited (5-6psi) setup would be a good set-up for me. Reliabilty is a priority, but a little more hp/tq around town would be welcome.
yeah, I've quite literally been around the world 4 times in the past 4 years with my job. Been to Russia and China for months on end, as well as Japan, Belarus (before their govt. REALLY started hating us), Germany, etc. etc.
I've been gone so much that my MP3 is still at basically 55,000 miles (roughly 10k on the forged motor). I really wish I got to drive it more, but when I am home I split time between the mp3, the harley and the truck anyways. Besides that I got sucked into the swirling vortex of death that is World of Warcraft like 3 years ago, so when I'm away from home I tend to play that to pass the time instead of reading and posting in (how in the hell did I post over 5 thousand times on this forum?) hundreds of threads here.
I still enjoy the Mazda community and still talk with a few of the guys every once in a while, but ya know
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- 2002 BJFW, 2007 BK3P, 1979 SA22C, 2005 BK3P
i'm talking it over with rich day to day, the manifold is what we are focused on right now
MP3Performance
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- Mazda MP3
I would love to see this happen. If the kit could give about 180whp for around $2,500 I would be all over it. The main things that would make me get this over a turbo is reliability, consistant power across the board, and N/A upgrades can work with it. The only part that worries me is the A/C. I think you know first hand that the summer weather around chicago can be very harsh without the A/C.
One more thing, would this kit take a long time to produce, or could it be done before the summer?
One more thing, would this kit take a long time to produce, or could it be done before the summer?
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- 2002 BJFW, 2007 BK3P, 1979 SA22C, 2005 BK3P
i don't think i can have it ready before summer honestly. we need to pick out a blower, fab a test manifold, fit it to a car, tune the fuel system and then make some test pulls and test runs.
lil_red_wagon
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- lil white p5
+1. the p5 is officially my wife's car now that i totaled mine and got the rx-7. my wife is a little heavy footed, so more than that would tear up the car.
lil_red_wagon
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- lil white p5
as long as you can fit it into the stock engine compartment without having to relocate anything, i will be in. i want a full bolt-up without any serious mods. i understand a couple of things, but i don't like wiring and wouldn't like to relocate things that involve it.
