hydrolock and a cold air intake

I believe that the mazdaspeed cold air intake gets you the most horsepower by far due to the futzing with a/f ratios that takes place due to the larger MAF housing. hopefully EMS manufacturers will take this into account, or I think it could hurt you down the line on tuning. for an out of the box solution though it's pretty freaking sweet.

imo, it's not a good solution, since it gives you the added power by leaning you out unintentionally, which is not a good thing in a turbocharged motor...=/ i mean, you're doing this by fooling the MAF into thinking that there's less air coming in than there really is, so that CAN'T be a good thing when you get around to tuning! (eek2)
 
The MS CAI has an extra splash guard on it to help prevent injestion from splashing water. If you are still concerned, get an Injen Hydroshield to put over the filter.

If you plan to park or drive through 10"+ of water then maybe there is a CAI "snorkel" kit out there like on the hummer... :)
 
imo, it's not a good solution, since it gives you the added power by leaning you out unintentionally, which is not a good thing in a turbocharged motor...=/ i mean, you're doing this by fooling the MAF into thinking that there's less air coming in than there really is, so that CAN'T be a good thing when you get around to tuning! (eek2)

who says that it's unintentional? I'm guessing mazdaspeed knew exactly what they were doing.
 
The risk/chance really depends on 1.) the car and 2.) filter location. All it takes is a dark, rainy evening coming home from work, and a street drain completely blocked with road side tree leaves.

That was the scenario I was in over a year ago with my RSX Type-S and CAI. It was too dark and rainy to tell that the road outside my apartment was flooded with about 4-6" of water. (I've come back after many rain storms and never saw a flooding problem there.) I drove over the water at about 25mph, splashed water all over my front end, and sucked in water thru the intake to the point where the engine basically was about to stall as I quickly turned the ignition off. I sat there silent in the middle of the street thinking, "Oh s***! Tell me i didn't suck up water." So, probably the dumbest thing I did next was turn the engine back on because I didn't want to push the car standing in 6" of water. Car sounded like s***! Just kept sputtering and wanting to stall. I eased the clutch enough to get moving to the curb and parked it. I ended up pulling the spark plugs and covering the holes with a towel to let any water that might be in the combustion chamber evaporate over night just as a precaution.

The next morning I changed the oil, which was milky brown due to the water in it. I probably dumped about 4 qts right thru the oil pan after draining it just to filter out as much as I could. Filled the oil, popped the spark plugs back in, fired it up, and it ran like s*** and smoked white like a bastard! I thought the motor was shot for sure, but I took it around the block anyways. After about 5 miles of driving, the smoke and sputter cleared up, and the car was back to normal. I changed the oil 500 miles later just incase I didn't get the remainder out. Close call!!

Note that the filter was generally in the same location as the MS3's CAI - front left. Although I did have tein ss coil-overs, so the filter was probably closer to the ground. What actually happened was the plastic clips holding the plastic underbody panel on to the front bumper came apart and actually "ramped" water up into the filter. I don't think the MS3's configuration would allow for this to happen as easily though since I believe its got 3 bolts along the bottom front bumper's corners.

Overall, I think the CAI for the MS3 is designed better to prevent sucking in water with both the splash guard, and that the filter is consealed behind more plastic panels. So I'm not bashing it. But like someone else stated, be prepared for some instances where something can occur. Just use common sense and be precautious when they do happen.
 
The MS CAI has an extra splash guard on it to help prevent injestion from splashing water. If you are still concerned, get an Injen Hydroshield to put over the filter.

If you plan to park or drive through 10"+ of water then maybe there is a CAI "snorkel" kit out there like on the hummer... :)

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If you want to have you cake and eat it too, get a hydroshield. END OF STORY!
 
who says that it's unintentional? I'm guessing mazdaspeed knew exactly what they were doing.

i believe the main issue with the MS CAI is that there's no airflow straighteners and the turbulence has been screwing around with people's MAFs. the reason i say fooling the MAF is bad for tuning is because when you tune, you'd REALLY like to know that your sensors are reading what they mean to read. if you fool the MAF, i can't imagine that's a good thing to tune to.
 
I'm so tired of people saying this. Here is the fact...just because it's highly improbable doesn't mean it WON'T happen. It CAN happen, period. Likely? Maybe not, but it can happen.

You'll note in my sig I went with a Cobb SRI. This was because I am one of those lucky people that if something can go wrong, it will. Therefore I went SRI...that and the fact I'm lazy about filter cleaning. :-)
 
I'm so tired of people saying this. Here is the fact...just because it's highly improbable doesn't mean it WON'T happen. It CAN happen, period. Likely? Maybe not, but it can happen.

You'll note in my sig I went with a Cobb SRI. This was because I am one of those lucky people that if something can go wrong, it will. Therefore I went SRI...that and the fact I'm lazy about filter cleaning. :-)

amen to that! that was honestly the #1 reason for me...=d
 
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If you want to have you cake and eat it too, get a hydroshield. END OF STORY!

I forgot to mention that I had the hydro shield on as well. Still sucked up water, though probably not as much as it would have without it. Could very well have saved my engine.
 
That underbody panel's plastic clips came loose or fell off prior, so when I nailed the water with enough force, the plastic panel dipped down and directed water up to the filter. (Hydro shield not shown on filter abviously.)

Don't see that happening as easily on the MS3. There's always a chance of something happening though, however slight it is. Comes with the modding territory.
 

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I was caught in a severe downpour the other day on my way to work. Could hardly see the road for about 7-8 minutes. I thought for sure I was going to have problems but I didnt. Even with deep puddles that I could not dodge. I kept my foot out of the gas as much as possible and held my breath too I think. lol I was at least expecting the mass air to mess up on me but it didnt. Maybe next time.....
 
Hydroshield will not prevent it from sucking in water if it's submerged.

I'll have to remember that next time i'm launching my bass boat with the speed6. lol. I'm just playing. whats the point of this thread again? oh yea, if your worried about hydrolock and still dont feel comfortable with a hydroshield or a SRI, your SOL. Stay stock,
 
I'll have to remember that next time i'm launching my bass boat with the speed6. lol. I'm just playing. whats the point of this thread again? oh yea, if your worried about hydrolock and still dont feel comfortable with a hydroshield or a SRI, your SOL. Stay stock,

EXACTLY.
 
I hydro locked a car so I've been there, done that. I've also read of countless people hydro locking so it's not as rare as it seems. One important factor is location. People in dry places or those with good drainage need not worry too much (or at all). Down here it can flood with even a moderate downpour so it's more of a possibility.

The Cobb sri would require the entire front end to be submerged. I'm pretty sure it sits even higher than the stock airbox.
 
I hydrolocked my MSP last year ! Dont post s*** that you dont know about, it makes you sound like a retard. Saying that " it extremely unlikely that water will be sucked UP through the intake, but after going through the turbo, it will almost certainly evaporate completely" is ridiculous. Do you know how hard your intake is sucking? It will "evaporate" in the turbo, hahaha. Thats the silliest thing i have heard recently. It rains alot here and I know about 5 people whom have hydrolocked their cars besides me. It doesnt need to be knee high waters either.

There is no need for a "cold" air intake on a turbo car. You have an intercooler. The cold air would go from your intake, through your turbo and right back into your intercooler. for a messily POSSIBLE 1-2whp difference it is not worth it.

I totally agree!

ok,

I've had cars with cold air on both sides, and I've lived in some of the rainiest places in the US (if you know about rain storms in Texas, Louisiana, and Florida, you know what I'm talking about), and I've never had a problem with water induction.


just my dos centavos.

Then my friend you just got super lucky, I can assure you first hand that a CAI and florida dont mix!

My suggestion is to get the CAI save it for track days, in the mean time get a SRI if you want the additional noise. A turbo car really does not need it but if you gotta have one just go with the SRI
 
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