Racing Cosmic Blue Mazdaspeed 3 nailed by Hummer and kills both in Mazda.

[Betelgeuse]

I haven't driven a speed3 on the highway, so I'll have to take your word on that. My comments are based on the assumption that the kid didn't accelerate from 70 to 100 or 110 just to pass another car.

From the article:


"According to a Cornelius Police Department press release, "Witnesses reported that the 2008 Mazda was traveling east on Jetton and attempted to pass a third vehicle, also traveling east, in the westbound lane against the flow of traffic."



I've seen the pics on another forum and the car is completely mangled. Looks like a tried to pass 3 cars and couldn't make. My guess - triple digit speeds or very close to it.

 

[CHICO2003]

his parents will get no pity from me... in fact, I want to shoot them for being such idiots in spoiling their kid in buying him a nice fast ass car leaving the open potential that it could hurt/kill people

Haven't read past the 1st page so I'm sure this has been beaten to... nevermind.

All I know is... that's pretty cold. The parents lose BOTH of their sons and you have NO pity for them??? Hopefully, deep down, that's not true. Because even if one subscribes to your idea that they got what they deserve by giving their 17 year old son a fast car... what about the 12 year old? Did he deserve his fate as well?

Simple fact of that matter is... they could have suffered the same fate in a lesser vehicle. While I agree a 17 year old has no business having a car like this, if someone is reckless enough, they'll find a way to die.. even in a slow ass pos. In fact, one could argue this car was safer (in most cases) than some of the more typical cars 17 year olds drive.. you know, the 20 year old beaters with no airbags, no abs and broken seatbelts.

All I know is.. this is really sad. To not have sympathy for the parents is to not be human.

 

[lc_MS3]

Haven't read past the 1st page so I'm sure this has been beaten to... nevermind.

All I know is... that's pretty cold. The parents lose BOTH of their sons and you have NO pity for them??? Hopefully, deep down, that's not true. Because even if one subscribes to your idea that they got what they deserve by giving their 17 year old son a fast car... what about the 12 year old? Did he deserve his fate as well?

Simple fact of that matter is... they could have suffered the same fate in a lesser vehicle. While I agree a 17 year old has no business having a car like this, if someone is reckless enough, they'll find a way to die.. even in a slow ass pos. In fact, one could argue this car was safer (in most cases) than some of the more typical cars 17 year olds drive.. you know, the 20 year old beaters with no airbags, no abs and broken seatbelts.

All I know is.. this is really sad. To not have sympathy for the parents is to not be human.

My prayers are with both families, but once again, to say "a 17 year old has no business having a car like this" is ridiculous. IT IS A SMALL SPORTS COMPACT CAR THAT IS AFFORDABLE TO MOST TEENAGERS AND THEIR FAMILIES. IT IS NO LAMBO, PORSCHE, OR FERRARI. IT IS SIMILAR TO GTI'S OR R32'S WHICH 2-3 YEARS AGO WAS THE HOT CAR FOR ANY TEEN.

 

[Betelgeuse]

so you are saying that a HEAD on collision at 70 and 70 s not as deadly as one at 80 and 80?
If in both cases someone dies, what is the difference?

Well in the above scenario, there's hardly a difference but....

You can't just assume the other car is traveling at the same speed. It's very likely the h2 was moving a lot slower. 40 and 40 or even 50 and 50 is more survivable than 90 and 50, wouldn't you agree?

 

[lc_MS3]

Well in the above scenario, there's hardly a difference but....

You can't just assume the other car is traveling at the same speed. It's very likely the h2 was moving a lot slower. 40 and 40 or even 50 and 50 is more survivable than 90 and 50, wouldn't you agree?

We have no way of knowing. I mean really, should we all star making assumptions hear? Well then I Assume that the H2 was also doing 100 as someone else assumed the Speed3 to be driving. I am aware this makes no sense and this is my point. We don't know what the H2 was travailing at and we might never BUT to blame the parents is ridiculous.

 

[Witchdoktor]

Well in the above scenario, there's hardly a difference but....

You can't just assume the other car is traveling at the same speed. It's very likely the h2 was moving a lot slower. 40 and 40 or even 50 and 50 is more survivable than 90 and 50, wouldn't you agree?

if they survived what kind of recovery would there be, quadriplegic?

terrible what happened to the people in the H2. hopefully they make full recoveries.

 

[Betelgeuse]

My prayers are with both families, but once again, to say "a 17 year old has no business having a car like this" is ridiculous. IT IS A SMALL SPORTS COMPACT CAR THAT IS AFFORDABLE TO MOST TEENAGERS AND THEIR FAMILIES. IT IS NO LAMBO, PORSCHE, OR FERRARI. IT IS SIMILAR TO GTI'S OR R32'S WHICH 2-3 YEARS AGO WAS THE HOT CAR FOR ANY TEEN.

hahaha, there ain't no talking to you. But I was once your age so I totally understand. When you get older, you'll more than likely have a different outlook on things. Anyway you already have the car so all I can say is, use your brains and don't take any unnecessary chances.

 

[lc_MS3]

hahaha, there ain't no talking to you. But I was once your age so I totally understand. When you get older, you'll more than likely have a different outlook on things. Anyway you already have the car so all I can say is, use your brains and don't take any unnecessary chances.

I have agreed with many posts on this thread, yes teens are more likely to get into accidents, but to stereotype all of us like that is ridiculous. And our cars aren't the fastest thing out there. Thinking that is dangerous, because you always want to defend it. That is why people get hurt.

 

[Betelgeuse]

We have no way of knowing. I mean really, should we all star making assumptions hear? Well then I Assume that the H2 was also doing 100 as someone else assumed the Speed3 to be driving. I am aware this makes no sense and this is my point. We don't know what the H2 was travailing at and we might never BUT to blame the parents is ridiculous.

I think it's safe to assume the speed3 was traveling a lot faster than the h2 for several reasons:

1. the ms3 was completely destroyed (see the pics on the 'other' forum)
2. the ms3 was trying to past 3 cars (according to eyewitnesses) so it would have been accelerating.

3 An H2 is not a hot rod (of course they can get to 90 or more) but most people just cruise in them.


I could be dead wrong and it would be nice to have more info.

 

[CHICO2003]

My prayers are with both families, but once again, to say "a 17 year old has no business having a car like this" is ridiculous. IT IS A SMALL SPORTS COMPACT CAR THAT IS AFFORDABLE TO MOST TEENAGERS AND THEIR FAMILIES. IT IS NO LAMBO, PORSCHE, OR FERRARI. IT IS SIMILAR TO GTI'S OR R32'S WHICH 2-3 YEARS AGO WAS THE HOT CAR FOR ANY TEEN.

I'm not sure I'd go THAT far... but I hear what you're saying

But for the record... I'm not sure what world you live in but in mine, a $500/month car payment for a 17 year old baggin groceries on the weekend isn't something I'd consider "affordable". And as for the parents... with the cost of raising kids already through the roof (tuition anyone?) buying your 17 year old kid a $25k car tells me you're not in the "most" category.

But that's irrelevant... it's not really about the price of the car. This car, while there are obviously faster cars out there, is way too fast for a typical teenager. There's no way to argue against it... the parents were probably bamboozled and were under the impression it was just a "normal" mazda3. Or.. they're friggin idiots!!

Though it obviously won't eliminate a disaster from occuring... in 16 years when my kid's beggin for a car... we'll get him a nice, safe 16 sec car... lol if he's lucky! after all, the apple doesn't fall far. I drove an '84 plymouth colt E with 86hp... it was tough to maintain the speed limit on the highway but at least I never broke into triple digit territory trying to pass cars. I knew that sort of thing just wasn't going to happen.

 

[Betelgeuse]

I have agreed with many posts on this thread, yes teens are more likely to get into accidents, but to stereotype all of us like that is ridiculous. And our cars aren't the fastest thing out there. Thinking that is dangerous, because you always want to defend it. That is why people get hurt.

No it isn't the fastest thing out but it's fast nonetheless. You are right about the last part (stuff I bolded).

 

[terbow]

But does having a MS3 change the fact that he made a bad judgement call? Sure he tried to pass 3 cars cause his cars fast, but if he had a 97 metro and tried to pass 1 car, its just as dangerous given the situation he was in.

Its all relative. As the stats show, teens are more likely to make bad calls with the cars, it doesnt say waht kind of car. Taking your beater over some sweet jumps and crashing is still an accident. You can do that at 5mph.

Those of us who have driven longer, and those younger who are mature, and have respect for the vehicle, will know better. This kid did not.

You learn from your mistakes. Some people dont learn till a near death experience happens. This poor kid didnt get a chance to do so. There could have been lots of interventions based on someone elsed dad saying this kid cant drive. I wish someone would have stepped in since he was a timebomb but ultimately , he turned the key. He has the license.

a life is a life. Im not even going to comment on TheMans comments cause hes the biggest hardass on the internet and it doesnt matter what you say.

 

[SeminoleMan]

But does having a MS3 change the fact that he made a bad judgement call? Sure he tried to pass 3 cars cause his cars fast, but if he had a 97 metro and tried to pass 1 car, its just as dangerous given the situation he was in.

Fast cars can give one a false sense of what they can do and make them more prone to take that chance. If you drive a metro and know you can barely get it up to hwy speeds, chances are YOU'LL KNOW you won't be passing very quickly on a two-laner.

A bad judgement call is a bad judgement call, but you don't have to compound bad judgement with a car capable of higher limits than the average car. I'm pretty certain I know which car would make him think twice about making that pass...

 

[lc_MS3]

I think it's safe to assume the speed3 was traveling a lot faster than the h2 for several reasons:

1. the ms3 was completely destroyed (see the pics on the 'other' forum)
2. the ms3 was trying to past 3 cars (according to eyewitnesses) so it would haven been accelerating.

3 An H2 is not a hot rod (of course they can get to 90 or more) but most people just cruise in them.


I could be dead wrong and it would be nice to have more info.

but that also has to do with the sizes of the cars. MS3 weighs 3100+- pounds. The H2 weights 4-5000+ pounds.

I'm not sure I'd go THAT far... but I hear what you're saying

But for the record... I'm not sure what world you live in but in mine, a $500/month car payment for a 17 year old baggin groceries on the weekend isn't something I'd consider "affordable". And as for the parents... with the cost of raising kids already through the roof (tuition anyone?) buying your 17 year old kid a $25k car tells me you're not in the "most" category.

But that's irrelevant... it's not really about the price of the car. This car, while there are obviously faster cars out there, is way too fast for a typical teenager. There's no way to argue against it... the parents were probably bamboozled and were under the impression it was just a "normal" mazda3. Or.. they're friggin idiots!!

Though it obviously won't eliminate a disaster from occuring... in 16 years when my kid's beggin for a car... we'll get him a nice, safe 16 sec car... lol if he's lucky! after all, the apple doesn't fall far. I drove an '84 plymouth colt E with 86hp... it was tough to maintain the speed limit on the highway but at least I never broke into triple digit territory trying to pass cars. I knew that sort of thing just wasn't going to happen.

My car was 22K out the door. I work 20 hours a week at $8 an hour. I pay half of my car payment. I do not know why yours is $500 but i can assure you mine is under $400. You also have no idea what my parents do/ or don't do or how much they make. I am in the "most" category in my area. Hell in my area my family is poor. Yes the MS3 is fast, but so are a lot of other cars kids have now a days. And once again to say the parents were "bamboozled" is ridiculous. You have no idea about how the kid got the car. MY dad was the one who first showed me the Speed 3.

No it isn't the fastest thing out but it's fast nonetheless. You are right about the last part (stuff I bolded).

It is fast but its not "in a class of its own". And once again thank you for agreeing.

 

[CHICO2003]

exactly

 

[lc_MS3]

Fast cars can give one a false sense of what they can do and make them more prone to take that chance. If you drive a metro and know you can barely get it up to hwy speeds, chances are YOU'LL KNOW you won't be passing very quickly on a two-laner.

A bad judgement call is a bad judgement call, but you don't have to compound bad judgement with a car capable of higher limits than the average car.

Like I said before, I know more kids in Civics that would do stupid s*** then that then kids who have Z's A4's, and BMW's

 

[icespeed]

wow, i go for dinner and we're on page four already?

Lc, 70 vs 70 is dramatically different than 80 vs 80. However, betelgeuse, 90 vs 50 is identical to 70 vs 70. Well, under the assumption that both are head on collsions. The total net total is 140 in both cases. I do agree that 40 vs 40 is more survivable than 70 vs 70. Although, even 40 vs 40 is the same as going 80 and hitting a stationary object (like a solid wall). Chances of walking away are limited at best.

I remember from one of the driving school courses (of many ) that a front end collision can be compared to falling off of a building. And for every ten miles an hour faster you go, it is the same as adding another story to your fall off of a building. In this case 40 vs 40 would be the same as driving your car off of an 8 story building.

The people in the Hummer had a hell of a better chance surviving because of Impulse of the forces. The Hummer weighs alot more, so the actual forces exerted on the people is considerably less.

As anyone who has ever hit something (another car, deer, wall, tree) head on can attest, at 10mph it wakes you up enough for you to say, "wow, that's alot of force". At 20mph you say to yourself, "man!". At 30mph, it friggin hurts. At 45mph, it happens so fast that you spend the next ten minutes trying to figure out what the hell happened and you thank whoever you believe in that you were wearing your seatbelt. Looking at those pictures, the kids in the MS3 never had a chance.

 

[terbow]

again, if u pass 3 cars or 1 car and cross the line into oncoming traffic. How does the car matter. It doesnt, He mad a bad call just like you said and its not the first time. Cars don't give a false sense of what they can do, inexperience does.

The sports car goes 25mph just like everyone else.

Does it matter if u use a sniper rifle to kill someone from 100 yards or a rusty revolver up close? No, your still making the call to kill someone.

The kid obviously needed to be monitored and probably shouldnt have had the car, or a car at all, but given his record (from the other parents comments), he would have done it in another car.

Fast cars can give one a false sense of what they can do and make them more prone to take that chance. If you drive a metro and know you can barely get it up to hwy speeds, chances are YOU'LL KNOW you won't be passing very quickly on a two-laner.

A bad judgement call is a bad judgement call, but you don't have to compound bad judgement with a "sports car."

 

[SeminoleMan]

Like I said before, I know more kids in Civics that would do stupid s*** then that then kids who have Z's A4's, and BMW's

And chances are these civics aren't stock...and that they are "import enthusiasts" typical of the H crowd, making them cars more capable than the average driver. Again, this falls exactly into my line of thought.

 

[lc_MS3]

And chances are these civics aren't stock...

they are BONE stock.