Who wants dibs on the XEDE PnP System?

[pHeeL tHiZ ViBe]

i agree with haltech 100% on that. points=clear & fact. okay thats all i'm sayin.

 

[Haltech]

Laying down more power than the competitor is nice and all. MY MAIN POINT IS -if one car can make the same power at a lower boost level - therefore resulting in a higher efficiency number - there is a clear winner in the tuning war. And a clear winner in who's engine will last longer.

14.7 is an accurate number for us at sea level or close to. It is a generic formula for us. And totally unfair to compare a car at sea level w/ one at altitude. If you want to calculate the efficiency bring me a car and we compare side by side. We'll calculate the efficiency based on this method, and the brake specific fuel consumption.


If you want more parameters, go with a standalone EMS. Some standalone's out there are awesome and create even better efficiency #'s. But for some that is not practical and/or do not have the time to pursue it. Some people do, and more power to 'em.

The Xede has already added the tuning via fuel pressure - to no additional benefit. But it is there none the less. Maybe it will be more helpful when the MAF sensor has maxed out, but that has not occurred yet.
Stephanie

Why stand alone EMS? I can tap the same amount of parameters in a Chip on a Ford system as those can with a stand alone. Perhaps Begi is too lazy to sit down and bring more parameters to the table than. Bottom line is, i dont need a standalone setup to accomplish the same thing via chip or flash. Mazda's ECU's shouldnt either but thats the difference in supporting one companies piggyback system that works harder to give the tuner what he needs, versus the other doing it half ass and saying their system is more efficient without proof.

Adding fuel pressure is not going to solve the MAF pegging problem. All you need is a new calibrated meter and your problem is solved. The answer lies in the sensor itself and the size of the sample tube. You take the max voltage settings along with the long and short fuel trims and use that as the short end voltage on the new meter. You basically double what you started out with and the added high number is now your high threshold on the meter ( IE 4.7+ )

Since the new high capacity pumps are coming to the table, the MAFs will peg with big turbos, its just a matter of time and the fuel pressure parameters are going to help those who run them.

If i was working in supporting an EMS setup, i would be looking at the future. The worse case scenerio type of future. Plan on the meters pegging and plan on fuel tuning for larger turbo's. Come up with a meter solution now, instead of later. Go plug and play and bam, you just now won and have the market.

 

[altspace]

Am I too late? Oh wait.....

 

[StephanieT]

Why stand alone EMS? I can tap the same amount of parameters in a Chip on a Ford system as those can with a stand alone. Perhaps Begi is too lazy to sit down and bring more parameters to the table than. Bottom line is, i dont need a standalone setup to accomplish the same thing via chip or flash. .

I agree it is not needed. The Xede accomplished plenty without being a full standalone. I think we are controlling the needed paramameters. The only other speculated item that needs to be controlled is the throttle plate (which we are working on). So where does lazy come into play?

doing it half ass and saying their system is more efficient without proof.

to play devil's advocate, is there proof to the contrary? I would be happy to do a side by side comparison, at our expense here. That is the only true way to measure differences.

Adding fuel pressure is not going to solve the MAF pegging problem.

No it won't. But the MAF has not pegged it's limit yet. I can tune via fuel pressure, MAF, or both.

Since the new high capacity pumps are coming to the table, the MAFs will peg with big turbos, its just a matter of time and the fuel pressure parameters are going to help those who run them.

True. Some people have no problem with it. I have visions of busted fuel lines and fires. Yes, that seems unreasonable, until you have been in that situation. Though it will probably never happen.....
Stephanie

 

[Haltech]

I agree it is not needed. The Xede accomplished plenty without being a full standalone. I think we are controlling the needed paramameters. The only other speculated item that needs to be controlled is the throttle plate (which we are working on). So where does lazy come into play?

Lazy is not having the same amount of parameters as your competitor but saying your setup is more efficient. These guys want proof that yours is more efficient. Provide that for them.

to play devil's advocate, is there proof to the contrary? I would be happy to do a side by side comparison, at our expense here. That is the only true way to measure differences.

The two cars have to be idenitical, right down to the oil and fuel used. The odds? Probably not going to happen. As time goes on and people are using brand X against your setup with Dyno's with the same mods, you may see whos system is tuning better. I dont think this is happening until the little Cobb craze is over with, along with CPE's pnp vs yours.

No it won't. But the MAF has not pegged it's limit yet. I can tune via fuel pressure, MAF, or both.

When its pegged youre not going to be able to do this. So why not develop the work around now? Its coming, you know it is. Make the product better now.

True. Some people have no problem with it. I have visions of busted fuel lines and fires. Yes, that seems unreasonable, until you have been in that situation. Though it will probably never happen.....
Stephanie

The fuel lines are going to be fine. Look at the VW/Audi community as proof. I think this is over reacting. The MS3/6 is starved for fuel as is but Mazda didnt want to spend the extra money for a bigger pump.

 

[ZooMIN3]

this is turing into an egg head discussion! lol you guys rock!!

 

[AutoXRacer]

I don't know much about tuning and where BEGi wants to go with their Xede.

But, what if BEGi just wants to target the buyers I fit in...?

I just want a piggy back that I don't have to mess with...just take it to a local tuner, spend an hour or so fine tuning for my conditions and there you have it.

50-70 HP gain at the wheels, hopefully more gains in torque and end of story.

I want to retain my stock (or close to it as possible) reliability and drivability... I'm not looking to do major upgrades like turbo, fuel injectors, fuel pump, etc...

All I'm looking for is a simple bolt on or in this case plug in...

Anyone take that into consideration...?

 

[fourthmeal]

(cricket)(cricket)(cricket)

j/k...


I think a tuning solution is a tuning solution, honestly. Whether it be AP, Xede, or CP-E, as long as you can adjust the necessary parameters then it should suffice when you upgrade this, that, or nothing at all.

 

[desperado-c]

I don't know much about tuning and where BEGi wants to go with their Xede.

But, what if BEGi just wants to target the buyers I fit in...?

I just want a piggy back that I don't have to mess with...just take it to a local tuner, spend an hour or so fine tuning for my conditions and there you have it.

50-70 HP gain at the wheels, hopefully more gains in torque and end of story.

....

You're not really expecting to get a 50-70 whp with just an ECU mod, are you? I'm pretty sure Stephanie said that 288 whp dyno was done with a completely open airbox (not even the filter), whereas the stock dyno had airbox lid closed. CPE is saying 30-35 for the Standback and I think Nutari got 40 or so with his Xede.

But, I agree, if you're not going to do anything else to the car, the Xede's gonna be fine. Especially if they eventually ship it with PnP connector's for $900. I can tell you that it definitely pulls like crazy with their airbox and FMIC.

 

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God I love the internet, people like Haltech know how to technically explain the s*** me and laloosh were saying on page one.

 

[laloosh]

im just fighting a loosing battle in every bulls*** post on here. Im at the point where i dont care, mazda boards are just filled with crap and useless information. The venders seem to rule the boards....it should be the other way around.

btw what intake should i go with? How about a blow off valve?

 

[pHeeL tHiZ ViBe]

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[laloosh]

oh god, i was joking.

 

[pHeeL tHiZ ViBe]

haha. i didn't even look who posted that . i wouldn't have replied rofl

 

[Haltech]

im just fighting a loosing battle in every bulls*** post on here. Im at the point where i dont care, mazda boards are just filled with crap and useless information. The venders seem to rule the boards....it should be the other way around.

btw what intake should i go with? How about a blow off valve?

Im not sure, something off a focus perhaps? lol

 

[funkyman]

im just fighting a loosing battle in every bulls*** post on here. Im at the point where i dont care, mazda boards are just filled with crap and useless information. The venders seem to rule the boards....it should be the other way around.

btw what intake should i go with? How about a blow off valve?

Even if it were true and maybe right,but there is nothing you can do about it because that is how the world we live in today is my friend.(outie)

 

[AutoXRacer]

You're not really expecting to get a 50-70 whp with just an ECU mod, are you? I'm pretty sure Stephanie said that 288 whp dyno was done with a completely open airbox (not even the filter), whereas the stock dyno had airbox lid closed. CPE is saying 30-35 for the Standback and I think Nutari got 40 or so with his Xede.

According to BEGi website, they yielded 66.11 HP and 80.39 FT-LBS just from adding the Xede.

So yes, I am expecting similar gains. Am I foolish to expect these gains?
Is there a reason to believe this is a false claim?

2007 MazdaSpeed 3
Xede only

Stock vs. Xede:

 

[desperado-c]

According to BEGi website, they yielded 66.11 HP and 80.39 FT-LBS just from adding the Xede.

So yes, I am expecting similar gains. Am I foolish to expect these gains?
Is there a reason to believe this is a false claim?

2007 MazdaSpeed 3
Xede only

Stock vs. Xede:

I'd go with Nutari's dyno as a better indicator, since I'm pretty sure the BEGI results are with the airbox completely open:

http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showpost.php?p=2958543&postcount=3

Like I said, CPE is saying 30-35, Nutari's was about 35. Maybe your's will be higher than Nutari's if you're in a less humid place than Hawaii.

 

[AutoXRacer]

We'll just have to see when and if this thing ever gets released in PnP...

 

[StephanieT]

You're not really expecting to get a 50-70 whp with just an ECU mod, are you? I'm pretty sure Stephanie said that 288 whp dyno was done with a completely open airbox (not even the filter), whereas the stock dyno had airbox lid closed.

Air filter was installed. I have seen 80+ hp gains with an Xede only on a BMW. It can be done.
Stephanie