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]First Drive: 2008 Dodge Caliber SRT-4

2008 Dodge Caliber SRT-4.
Article and photos by Paul Williams

Photo Gallery: 2008 Dodge Caliber SRT-4
Indianapolis, Indiana - 285 horsepower. $24,995. Need I say more?

For many, those two numbers - 285 hp; $24,995 - will be enough to schedule a visit to the local Dodge dealer to test drive this performance and value slam-dunk at the earliest opportunity (sorry, you'll have to wait until December, 2007 for first delivery). For the rest of you, here are the details.

The latest opus from Dodge's SRT (Street and Performance Racing) division - the $24,995 Dodge Caliber SRT4 - is all that you might want from a high performance Dodge Caliber, and more. It's also all you might want, and less, which I'll get to later. What you do get on the SRT4 will be more than enough for most buyers interested in a very high-performance modified production compact car with an MSRP of less than $25,000 (okay, it's only five-bucks less, but you know how cars are priced).
The SRT-4 engine is a turbocharged version of the 2.4-litre, four-cylinder powerplant found in the base Caliber.
It uses variable valve timing on the intake and exhaust valves, and features a specially machined block for increased water flow, cast pistons, forged connecting rods, a high-performance aluminum head with high temperature exhaust valves, special bearings and crankshaft, and a new air cleaner assembly. In other words, this is not your average "World" engine. Add a high-performance turbocharger and a new engine management system designed by Siemens and you get 285 hp at 5,700-6,400 rpm and 265 pounds-feet of torque at 2,000-5,600 rpm. There is, of course, more. Contributing to the power equation is a free-flow exhaust system that uses a single, 75 millimetre (three-inch) pipe from the engine back to the exhaust tip, a dual-mass flywheel that connects the engine to the SRT-4's unique, Getrag, six-speed manual transmission, and an electronically tuned Brake Lock Differential designed to put the power smoothly to the ground.

The brake lock differential, along with a 22 mm reduction in overall ride height (28 mm at the front suspension), and the special positioning of the differential in the transmission, are designed to manage the torque-steer you'd expect when putting this much power into a compact, front-wheel drive car. The steering and suspension are comprehensively tuned by SRT, including performance tuned rack and pinion steering, and lowered MacPherson strut front suspension with new suspension knuckles, tuned dampers and revised swing rates. The front suspension also includes coil spring over gas-charged shock absorbers and stabilizer bar. The rear multi-link suspension includes coil springs, link-type stabilizer bar and gas charged shock absorbers. Sway bars are 24 mm front and 22 mm rear. The Caliber SRT4 also uses a unique front crossmember with anti-lift geometry.

The Caliber SRT-4 arrives with 19-inch alloy wheels with 225/45 Goodyear RS-A all-season or F1 Supercar "three-season" tires, an oversized spoiler at the rear, a functional scoop on the hood, big (340 mm vented front; 302 mm rear) four-wheel disc brakes with antilock and red-painted calipers, traction control, vehicle stability control (tuned for performance handling in dry, wet and snowy conditions), side curtain airbags, air conditioning, a decent audio system, and power windows, doors, mirrors. The dual 57 mm piston brake calipers are also used in the 5.7-litre Dodge Charger police cars.
You can add almost $10,000 worth of options, including a navigation system, sunroof, accelerometer/g-force calculator, polished wheels and premium audio, but many buyers (40-percent, Dodge reckons) will buy the SRT-4 straight-up and add their own finishing touches. Available colours are red, orange, silver and black.


Inside, you'll find hip and shoulder-hugging front seats with red stitching and the SRT logo sewn into the head restraints, a centre-mounted tachometer, separate turbo boost gauge, leather shift knob and steering wheel, an all-grey interior with aluminum-look centre console and performance pedals.
The seats are comfortable (the squab a little softer than you'd expect) with pronounced side bolsters for your thighs and torso, and the driver's seat is height-adjustable. The steering column tilts, but unfortunately doesn't telescope, which will prevent some (me included) from finding an optimum driving position. Visibility front and rear is restricted by the short glass (a Caliber design feature) and the A-pillars also block vision when cornering.
On the road, the steering is firm and precise, the ride firm but not jarring, and the exhaust note is louder than most cars but not annoying. Wind noise at speed is noticeable (this car has a high 0.39 coefficient of drag). The armrests in the doors are hard on the elbows, and the dashboard is a bit plasticky, and hard to the touch. But this car isn't about luxury appointments and creature comforts. It's designed to go, steer and stop better than most everything on the road, with a very low entry price. You can add your carbon-fibre inserts later, if you want.

On the track at Putnam Park Raceway we were able to drive the Caliber SRT-4 without the moderating presence of the local constabulary. Flat-out acceleration requires two firm hands on the steering wheel as torque-steer will pull this car aggressively, despite efforts from the SRT engineers. Even though it's a tall car, the SRT-4 handles sharp corners with poise and feels stable on the straights. Steering is quick and precise, but the car doesn't feel high-strung. Brakes are very effective and after several hard laps were not fading appreciably. Acceleration is fierce, with the car reaching 100 km/h in about six-seconds (top speed, by the way, is 250 km/h). Torque comes on low, and keeps pulling.
Nobody crashed; a good time was had by all.
The drive back into Indianapolis from the track was uneventful, with the SRT-4 effectively transforming into street clothes from budget supercar when required. But those satisfying second and third gears do beckon when conditions allow, as do any twisting roads you may encounter.

What more would I like? All-wheel drive. Apparently, the system available for the Caliber is not robust enough to handle the Caliber SRT-4's power, so it's not offered. An AWD system would be a terrific option, and likely would tame the torque steer. An automatic transmission option is also missing, but most buyers of this car (males, twenty-something, enthusiasts) will prefer the six-speed manual, I should think. And I have to mention the doors. They really let the car down by making such a hollow sound when you close them. Should be an easy fix; should be done soon. The Caliber fuel tank is a mere 51 litres, and the SRT-4 gets the same tank (93-octane is recommended; that's the very good stuff…). I suspect the small tank will cause frequent visits to the gas station. Smallest wheels you can fit over those big brakes are 18-inch, so expect to pay a lot for winter tires that will be so wide they won't do much of a job.

What else should you know? Oh yes, performance add-ons. As I said above, 40 percent of buyers will want more and apparently it's coming: cold air intakes, suspension bits, the works from SRT for future tuning. The Caliber SRT-4 isn't the uncivilized little beast found in the original SRT-4 which was based on the 2.0 SX (Neon). That was a mini-NASCAR that burbled, snarled and belched on occasion as you ran it through the gears. The Caliber SRT-4 is not quite as wild, but still has lots of attitude. Given that buyers of this car will be fairly young, and this is a particular breed of automobile, Dodge might consider offering a performance driving course to go with it.

New SRT-4 drivers could learn how to properly handle such a high performance car, and brush up on emergency manoeuvres as well.
Competition in this segment includes the Mazdaspeed3 and Volkswagen GTI, but the Mazda costs $6,000 more and the VW has 85 hp less. 285-hp. $24,995. A performance and value slam-dunk.



I am looking forward to the release. should be a fun car to drive.
 
ms3 is $6k more??

oh, wait..... canadian article -- I still feel like I got away with a deal (cabpatch)
 
I thought the first SRT-4 was supposed to appeal to domestic ricers. This car seems to be appealing to those 25 yr old mid life crisis people. It's still using a small turbo charged engine, keeping that domestic ricer edge.
 
Some one please photoshop this car with a 4 inch exhaust pipe so I can throw up now instead of later. And make sure it sticks out an inch longer then it should. That's JDM. Or wait. haha. Put a JDM exhaust on it, the ones that shoot out back and at and angle. Put some green underglow on there to.

Am I hurting the situation? lol
 
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I'm going to give the new SRT4 a test drive and see what I feel about it.

Best quote in this entire thread.

Everyone has their first impression on this car based on appearance and the second is the hp/tq numbers. Power is moot if the car doesn't handle well. Look at the new wrx video from another post; the car has awd and decent hp but tosses through the slalom like a load of bricks. I would rather drive a slow car that can take corners fast than a fast car that doesn't handle well. (drive2)
 
Agreed on that point, however I don't think I could bring myself to actually sit in there without involuntarily vomiting all over the dashboard...I don't think that'd go over to well with the sales guy.
 
Best quote in this entire thread.

Everyone has their first impression on this car based on appearance and the second is the hp/tq numbers. Power is moot if the car doesn't handle well. Look at the new wrx video from another post; the car has awd and decent hp but tosses through the slalom like a load of bricks. I would rather drive a slow car that can take corners fast than a fast car that doesn't handle well. (drive2)

You do realize that the srt has already been outperforming many cars on test tracks...one being a boosted m3. Per Dale Steely who works for PVO -

"I couldn't run it down in my supercharged M3 at Memphis. It was on stock tires and suspension...
What little bit I caught it under braking, it extended through the offset slalom, and then we'd maintain distance during the entire front straight.
Mine is a 95 with H&R coilover kit, Motorsports adjustable sways, Motorsports chassis braces, and a 6 pound blower. It's not bad for a daily driver, I loaned it to someone to run Onelap with this year as well. It's not a racecar by any means, it's just supposed to be something fun to take to work everyday that I'm not on the bike.

The Caliber that came to Nationals was stock, down to the huge tires. Erich Heuschele was driving it, not quite Mario Andretti, but a hell of a lot better than I am.

There are tons of excuses why I wasn't faster, some are more humorous than others (the heat exhaustion had me puking after every session for example), but not of that really mattered on the track. I don't like the tires that are on the M, Goodyear F1, but that's what was put on it for Onelap. I prefer the Pilot PS2's, and would have had more confidence in them, but I was pushing hard enough to loop the car in Grants Tomb.

Assuming the Caliber launches better than the M3, it's probably a 13.4 second car at 106mph, based on how it held it's gap from me from 45 mph to 125+. It transitioned into the corners really well, the OEM suspension really suprised me. Body roll was less than the SRT-4, something I didn't expect.

I was killing it under braking, but couldn't stay with it in the "m's", a set of tight slalom-like corners. I curse the tires (Goodyears) for that, that and Erich's consistancy."

I think you may be suprised
 
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You do realize that the srt has already been outperforming many cars on test tracks...one being a boosted m3. Per Dale Steely who works for PVO -

I think you may be suprised

I wasn't trying to cut down the new srt-4 in handling and I didn't realize those reviews on the track was out there. I was stating there is only so much you can tell about a car without driving one. All I know for sure is I personally think the car looks like s*** (it actually looks a lot better on dodge's web site in orange but it could be the angle/lighting) but has some impressive numbers and I look forward to going against one on the track. Need more FWD competition in STU (wrc)
 
I wasn't trying to cut down the new srt-4 in handling and I didn't realize those reviews on the track was out there. I was stating there is only so much you can tell about a car without driving one. All I know for sure is I personally think the car looks like s*** (it actually looks a lot better on dodge's web site in orange but it could be the angle/lighting) but has some impressive numbers and I look forward to going against one on the track. Need more FWD competition in STU (wrc)


oh ok that's cool...actually everyone says that it looks better in person. Ya i am looking forward to seeing what it can do performance wise by someone other than a magazine editor.
 
Yeah... an owner of a '97 lude for 7 years knows NOTHING about the SI engine. And no - it's not a selling point. Honda would sell lots of SIs if they redlined at 6500 and sacrificed nothing. In fact, I would bet that they'd sell even more since the only way they wouldn't sacrifice anything by lowering the redline would be... wait for it... a fatter power band. The novelty of screaming an engine to 8000 wears off when you realize you HAVE to, rather than you can choose to. You've already come to terms with that. The selling point is EXACTLY what I said (which you somehow completely ignored considering it was the whole point of the post) is you have best (sort of) of both worlds.

8thcivic.com. We OWN the 8th gen civics, why don't you ask them what the selling point of the car is? I will s*** my pants, delete my username over here, and praise you as a god if the vast majority of them say that th 8k rpm redline IS NOT a selling point.

Seriously, that is what makes the SI an SI. I have even seen people write that they would sacrifice even MORE torque for a 9k rpm redline. That's just what Honda owners want.. a high revving machine. If our power-band kicked in at 3500 and stopped at 6500, the car would NOT sell nearly as well to the people who like the way the new SI is now.
 
get the **** off the mazda forum douche bag, i don't wanna hear s*** else about ur damn honda, we don't give a s***, my 260whp protege will eat ur honda so go eat s*** and die
 
Rotary RPM FTW

8000 rpm isn't piss to a rx
(stupid) If you ever miss shift a rotary, Let's say from 3rd to 2nd (which shouldn't happen if you can drive) The Engine car take spinning at over 10k, the car won't like it but the engine sill be perfectly fine.:) Much love to Rotary
 
(stupid) If you ever miss shift a rotary, Let's say from 3rd to 2nd (which shouldn't happen if you can drive) The Engine car take spinning at over 10k, the car won't like it but the engine sill be perfectly fine.:) Much love to Rotary

And it sounds like hawt sex when it gets that high.
 
^^^THANK YOU

One thing people are missing, nobody bougt the Neon SRT4 for interior quality. The people looking at the SRT4 were people looking for a raw, fast, and loud car to build on later. I have about $300 in mods. With that, I'm around 260WHP and drive car capable of 13.6-13.7sec 1/4 miles @about 104mph. With about $1000, I'll be about 300WHP.

I'm not going to turn this into a "All hail the SRT4" thread, because I love the MS3 and think it is a very solid car.

Overrated........yeah....sure.....
 
^^^THANK YOU

One thing people are missing, nobody bougt the Neon SRT4 for interior quality. The people looking at the SRT4 were people looking for a raw, fast, and loud car to build on later. I have about $300 in mods. With that, I'm around 260WHP and drive car capable of 13.6-13.7sec 1/4 miles @about 104mph. With about $1000, I'll be about 300WHP.

I'm not going to turn this into a "All hail the SRT4" thread, because I love the MS3 and think it is a very solid car.

Overrated........yeah....sure.....

Exactly.. the SRT-4 WAS a great car and I'm sure the new one will be as well.. it just lacks in certain areas. Sadly, you get fanbois that can't look past MAZDA, honda, chevy, etc etc.

get the **** off the mazda forum douche bag, i don't wanna hear s*** else about ur damn honda, we don't give a s***, my 260whp protege will eat ur honda so go eat s*** and die

Lolz... and then after it makes the 1/4 mile pass, the engine will s*** out and the body panels will fall off it? Please, dont' compare a protege to the build quiality of a honda. Any honda.. I'd rock a honda fit before a mazda protege.

You can get all worked up as you want, I take comfort in knowing that it'll take 500k miles before my honda civic is worth as much as your protege is with 70k miles on it (headbang)
 
I like Honda/Acura, especially the RSX Type S :) And the S2000! Just happen to think the Mazda are a slightly better value (if you intend to keep your car).
 
8thcivic.com. We OWN the 8th gen civics, why don't you ask them what the selling point of the car is? I will s*** my pants, delete my username over here, and praise you as a god if the vast majority of them say that th 8k rpm redline IS NOT a selling point.

Seriously, that is what makes the SI an SI. I have even seen people write that they would sacrifice even MORE torque for a 9k rpm redline. That's just what Honda owners want.. a high revving machine. If our power-band kicked in at 3500 and stopped at 6500, the car would NOT sell nearly as well to the people who like the way the new SI is now.

I hear what you're saying... but it still doesn't make any sense to me. I drove my buddies new Si recently and, while I was impressed in virtually every way, I couldn't get over the fact that you had to rev the s*** out of the thing in order to get any decent power.

Think about it like this. Remember when the WRX first came out? All the critics loved it overall... but hated the turbo lag. Said it was basically the economy car it was based on prior to 4k... then turned into a monster. Some people liked the jeckyl and hyde routine but most car enthusiasts found it annoying. (which is why subaru addressed the issue later with their 2.5) To me, though not quite as dramatic, the whole vtec thing is no different. in fact, if anything, it's worse. Having to not only rev the hell out of the engine to generate the power you paid good money for... but also do your best to keep it within that range... that's a lot of work!

I guess it all depends on what your intentions are. If I'm racing on a track and keeping my rpms up there... I can see how it would be cool to have a car capable of spinning that fast. (just from the sheer sound the engine makes) However... last time I checked, our cars at used as daily drives 99.9% of the time. i want to be able to enjoy my car and, for me, getting low-end torque helps me do just that.
 
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