MS3 kicks WRX's ass Japanese-style

[Betelgeuse]

Performance wise right now it is, so no laughing here. We can't just look at everything by price because we are not looking at the big picture.

Are you nuts? If Mazda wants to build an MS3/MS6 that could kill an STI/EVO they could do it, but what would it cost the consumer and how many would they sell? Price is a big, big deal.

What is Mazda's fastest vehicle right now? WHat is Subaru's fastest vehicle right now?

???So you're completely putting cost aside and comparing both companies by their fastest vehicles? lol.

Speaking of credibility, when you can't be objective and see things for what they are, there's not all that much there yourself. If you are gonna type that to me, be sure to quote the guy that said "I mean, in all seriousness, they wiped the floor with the WRX and really didn't even try that hard." That's where credibility is SHOT.

They did wipe the floor with the WRX and and the MS3 has a ways to go before it reaches its full potential. So I stick by my statement, they didn't try very hard. Had they, we'd see a RWD / AWD MS3 with 350+ crank hp capable of blowing everything Subaru has out of the water. The downside is many of us won't be able to afford it and they may not sell enough for it to worthwhile from a cost perspective. Also, like I said before, they weren't targetting that market.

Whether or not a car company can make a better performing vehicle is not

based on price, it's based on REAL TIME. [/quote]

It's about COST and market demand more than anything else IMO.  If the market demands it and are willing to pay the hefty pricetag, they'll build it. How many they build is another question though.  Right now efficiency is a big factor with consumers and so will be higher in priority.

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Subaru has a far better vehicle right now. Doesn't make them a better company. [/quote]

It better be, it costs about 10k more.  And if that doesn't make them the better company why do you keep insinuating that?

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Just playing fair here, so don't be questioning my credibility, question your own. Financially I don't think Mazda can right now, nor would they want to. That's all I'm saying.[/quote]

That's not quite what you were saying before, but you're partially right there.


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Subarus are just more solidly built IMO then Mazda.[/quote]

I'm sure many of the owners with broken trannies will question that statement.

 

[ZooZoom]

Hey, I love Subies. but I still participate heavily on my favorite Subaru LGT forum. I must say, in the past year, I've seen at least 2 dozen threads started about newer Legacies chewing up and spittin out the stock VF-40 turbo. seems to have an oiling issue.

and BTW, this is the same turbo platform that the new WRX is adopting. (dunno)(screwy)

 

[FRUCTOSE]

I keep hearing people say that the wrx modded will destroy the ms3! Yes in a drag race. But who cares. I strongly believe the ms3 is an extreamly well platformed car and will give all the top tuner cars great competition in road races and short track. Yes there are a lot more wrx's that are great race cars but that doesn't mean the car is way beter if much better at all. People who say that prob. think that all hondas are slow too.

 

[laloosh]

I keep hearing people say that the wrx modded will destroy the ms3! Yes in a drag race. But who cares. I strongly believe the ms3 is an extreamly well platformed car and will give all the top tuner cars great competition in road races and short track. Yes there are a lot more wrx's that are great race cars but that doesn't mean the car is way beter if much better at all. People who say that prob. think that all hondas are slow too.

People who say a wrx will absolute rip the ms3 a new asshole on a short track/autox actaully know what they are talking about. Go to a autox even and watch the stx class, you know the class that a modded ms3 falls in. When you get beat by 3 seconds on a 30 second course dont come crying back lol.

Btw im not talking out of my ass. I was tri state champ in stx back in my specv. The only reason i won is because a certain wrx that usually shows up went into a curb the prior meet. If the guy was there....i simply lost every single time. A well prepped wrx in stx or sm will DESTROY a well prepped ms3 in stx or sm.....given equal drivers that is. AWD plays a huge roll in powerful cars....yea yea he have a lsd, so what, it helps but when u spin both tires coming out a corner u simply under steer. When you power up to early you simply understeer, when a properly set up wrx power ups too early it ROTATES, something a ms3 will never do, or any other fwd

heres a inboard camera run of the meet where the wrx went into the curb. The same place where i lost it towards the end....turn up your volume. 99% of people would let of the gas and go through that fence into the water. After my run the changed the coarse halfway through, not fast enough as the wrx was right after me and went into the curb and took the fence down
http://s83.photobucket.com/albums/j299/laloosh04/?action=view&current=chrisrun1.flv

 

[Kosh]

The ms3, if modded, falls in STU not STX because of displacement w/ turbo.

My car is very under modded for STU and I have only been to 3 events so my driving skill is pretty poor. On top of that I am running stock tires until I save up enough to upgrade. Hopefully after some novice classes and more experience and maybe some more mods I will be able to give those sti's a run for their money.

It is nice that there is a car out there to compete against and all of the wrx/sti's I autocross against are friendly as well.

 

[laloosh]

The ms3, if modded, falls in STU not STX because of displacement w/ turbo.

My car is very under modded for STU and I have only been to 3 events so my driving skill is pretty poor. On top of that I am running stock tires until I save up enough to upgrade. Hopefully after some novice classes and more experience and maybe some more mods I will be able to give those sti's a run for their money.

It is nice that there is a car out there to compete against and all of the wrx/sti's I autocross against are friendly as well.

After your novice classes, and sticky tires you still will nto be able to give the top wrx/evos a run for their money. People who think they will simply do nto have enough experience with autox. The ms3 handles great, but its not an evo/sti lol

 

[Ryz]

After your novice classes, and sticky tires you still will nto be able to give the top wrx/evos a run for their money. People who think they will simply do nto have enough experience with autox. The ms3 handles great, but its not an evo/sti lol

Evo/STI big freakin deal. I've lost them both on back roads.

 

[laloosh]

Evo/STI big freakin deal. I've lost them both on back roads.

Correction....you lost the driver of both cars on back roads

 

[Ryz]

Correction....you lost the driver of both cars on back roads

Then I guess nobody knows how to drive their cars but you.

 

[laloosh]

Then I guess nobody knows how to drive their cars but you.

Nope, its the other way around....too many people think they know how to drive their cars. I love watching people like you pull away from me on back roads. I also love not crashing my car or getting pulled over. Hes driving a 35k evo/sti most likly early 20s and spent more then he should have on that car. Do you really think he wants to risk it and wrap it around a tree? If you really wanna see what a evo/sti can do, go attend your local autox/track day. Enter your car and then post the results here.

Let's stop sounding like fanbois here.

 

[Kosh]

After your novice classes, and sticky tires you still will nto be able to give the top wrx/evos a run for their money.

Why not? Have you autocrossed both cars? What gives the wrx/evo a guarantee win over the ms3 in autocross? You sound like you are just talking out of your ass at this point.

 

[laloosh]

Why not? Have you autocrossed both cars? What gives the wrx/evo a guarantee win over the ms3 in autocross? You sound like you are just talking out of your ass at this point.

did you actually read what i wrote. awd, when set up properly has the ability to rotate under power. We have the ability to plow through cones under power. Talking out of my ass. (fuoops) I love these mazda boards...so many new owners to the car world. GO look up scca nationals and count how many evos/stis did well. Must be something about them

 

[Ryz]

I love watching people like you pull away from me on back roads. I also love not crashing my car or getting pulled over. Hes driving a 35k evo/sti most likly early 20s and spent more then he should have on that car. Do you really think he wants to risk it and wrap it around a tree? If you really wanna see what a evo/sti can do, go attend your local autox/track day. Enter your car and then post the results here.

Let's stop sounding like fanbois here.

Never had an accident while racing, since I've probably been doing it since before you were born I don't think you know what you're talking about. All autox boys know how to do is follow a route, throw something they're not ready for and they crap themselves. Go play little boy.

 

[Kosh]

AWD = big ******* deal. You get a better launch but loose more power through the drivetrain. It is in no way a deal breaker. Look up the scca nationals and see how many ms3's are in there.

sti/evo = more popular/common car

What is your experience with motorsports.

 

[laloosh]

AWD = big ******* deal. You get a better launch but loose more power through the drivetrain. It is in no way a deal breaker. Look up the scca nationals and see how many ms3's are in there.

sti/evo = more popular/common car

What is your experience with motorsports, you sound like a noob who just likes to troll and start s***.

Like i said, autox for about 6 years. Did all the evolution driving schools and have track days ranging from poconoes to vir on both my 06 r6 and my cars, not the ms3 yet.

awd = so what? You guys are in denial and are cocky towards the ms3. Stop turning into srt4 owners. We have a fast fwd car that pretty much has no competition right now. Mod the wrx and mod the ms3 and the wrx is going to win technical road coarses and autox event. I've said it before, we have an lsd, which helps, but once you overpower it you just end up spinning both wheels and understeering. Once you overpower a wrx you end up ROTATING. But like i said try it for yourself, im done with post.

btw i believe ZERO ms3 placed on a national level. In DS its all about the typer and the wrx. The reason the type r is in there is because it is light and snappy. We're neither. We are heavy, have s*** gearing for anything over 50mph and experience turbo lag. The wrx has turbo lag as well, it has less powerful but a has alot more of lateral and forward grip.

Once you mod all the, the typer starts becoming less competative and the wrx wins outright. The ms3 is still too heavy. Theres a reason why a 120hp miata will spank the living s*** out of a 260hp ms3 in a autox coarse. Its not all about power people.

 

[Kosh]

That is why you don't overpower the car. The biggest mistake I was making my first times out was too much throttle going through turns. You have to finess the throttle. Lift throttle oversteer was a bit of an issue as well. Once the back end gets loose if you try to give it too much the car starts to hop sideways and you have to ease up and wait for it to settle before getting on it again. You can't drive a fwd car like it is an awd car.

I'm looking forward to good competition from the sti folk. There are 3 in my area that autocross regularly.

 

[laloosh]

That is why you don't overpower the car. The biggest mistake I was making my first times out was too much throttle going through turns. You have to finess the throttle. Lift throttle oversteer was a bit of an issue as well. Once the back end gets loose if you try to give it too much the car starts to hop sideways and you have to ease up and wait for it to settle before getting on it again. You can't drive a fwd car like it is an awd car.

I'm looking forward to good competition from the sti folk. There are 3 in my area that autocross regularly.

your giving me lesson when i went through evo schools? Go talk to that blue ms3 on the mazda boards that autox all the time. Get his opinion on weather this car will be able to compete at a high level. Cause you def dont believe me. Now just reason with me here....what do you will be faster going through a turn. Lifting off a fwd car to maintain traction or overpowering a awd car to rotate out and power through the turn.

simply put autox is great for ever1, but on a local level to many people get too cocky. There are only a handful of car that you can win big with. Those cars include the 3 series, itr, miata, evo, wrx not the mention that you have to be better than 99% of the drivers out there to do so. When you finally go autox you car, dont look at if you beat you friends sti/evo. Look at the overall pax time. If you could drive and have a car that is capabe you should be top 3.

or you can look at the 2k6 results here
http://www.scca.com/_FileLibrary/File/Pro Solo Finale Sat Final .pdf
Check class D, stx and stu. Notice the itr and wrx KILLING it.

 

[FRUCTOSE]

Those are also 2006 results! How long was the car out then? 2 or 3 months! Come on, I'm not saying our cars right now will compete with them. We can have this little battle in about 2 years when some good drivers race the ms3 as much as the good sti/evo drivers. And I'm still not saying the ms3 will beat them but it will be a lot closer then you think. When people figure out how to set these cars up and learn to drive them I believe the cars will do really good! Not saying better, I was just tired of people like ^ saying these cars don't have a chance! I'm glad you have been to evo school and raced but have you raced with an ms3 for a year? Just saying don't be too surprised...

 

[laloosh]

My evo school and experience tell me enough....pretty much it tells me the ms3 is a funny little autox car locally....and thats hwere it stops. I dont think you realize how competative autox can be.

 

[FRUCTOSE]

I'm glad your school is enough to know everything! And your right I don't have eyeballs and any sense either! AutoX is great and just saying don't be surprised in the next couple years.