What are the best mods to install on a MSP for increased HP?

MoJoeTCM

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Mazda, MSP Protege
I see that you guys are installing all these turbo timers and stuff, but i want some major hp gains without buying another turbo....what can i install!? I want more than 200 hp, i am willing to pay the price! Can you give me some brand names stuff to go with? I only know about lighting and speakers but i am dumb when it comes to engines!:confused:
 
MoJoeTCM - if you want consistent reliable power, get an electronic boost controller (Blitz SBC-iD, Apex-i AVC-R etc).

Also, you'll have to get some supporting mods to make the power efficiently. A true turbo-back system, FMIC upgrade, replacement filter or CAI set-up, fuel pump etc.

If you're serious about performance, drop us an email or PM. We can make your car go from mild to wild :)
 
Hey, yea i saw your post, that number was pretty impresive, so all you have is downpiping and a turbo controller? Also is that K&N filter the one that looks like a cone or is it the one you throw in "the box" hehe
 
I'd recommend a boost controller, a/f guage, a 2.5" or 3" downpipe and a K&N filter :)
 
Man this Ion Performance is out in boonieville....I want to see some pictures of your products before i buy, "A true turbo-back system, FMIC upgrade, replacement filter or CAI set-up, fuel pump etc." What is a FMIC? Why would i need a new fuel pump?
 
MoJoeTCM - For the dyno runs we did of our stage 1 FMIC upgrade, we just used a K&N drop in filter (the one that goes in your stock airbox) along with our hard-pipe kit which replaces the pipe that goes from your stock air-box to the turbo. An electronic boost controller will allow you consistent boost w/ minimal chances of over-boost.

FMIC = Front Mount Intercooler. It's used to decrease charge temps. If you're increasing boost on that tiny turbo, the gains from just increasing boost will diminish as boost increases as charge temps get higher and higher. This leads to knocking/pinging which leads to engine failure. A upgraded FMIC cools down the charge more effectively, thus providing more reliable and consistent power @ higher boost. The fuel pump is recommended as the stock MSP injectors are tiny, increasing fuel pressure and flow slightly will effectively give you the same affect of a slightly larger injector. This is the inexpensive way of keeping safe @ higher boost levels.

We're located in Calgary (aka Houston of Canada), also where the '88 Winter Olympics were held, and also were the 3rd largest parade in North America (Stampede Parade) every year is held :)

Here's some pictures of our stage 1 FMIC upgrade:

Stock I/C vs. Our Stage1:
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Installed look:
fmic01.jpg

fmicbfg.jpg
 
Its the cone filter, I just replaced the stock airbox with that. Be careful when you boost though, some people around here have blown their motors. You wont really know how your specific car runs until you get it on a dyno. Its a good idea to have a baseline HP reading to know what you're working with anyway, plus you'd know if any of your mods were worth putting in.
 
FYI....

Ion Performance is in Calgary, Ablerta, Canada.

Calgary's Population is a Million + Population.

The overall size of Calgary is comparable to Atlanta.

Boonieville? I think not.


Listen to'em. They've got their s*** together!
 
chinkysuavo said:
Its the cone filter, I just replaced the stock airbox with that. Be careful when you boost though, some people around here have blown their motors. You wont really know how your specific car runs until you get it on a dyno. Its a good idea to have a baseline HP reading to know what you're working with anyway, plus you'd know if any of your mods were worth putting in.

Yes folks! Gauge before you Boost!!
 
MoJoeTCM said:
Man this Ion Performance is out in boonieville....I want to see some pictures of your products before i buy, "A true turbo-back system, FMIC upgrade, replacement filter or CAI set-up, fuel pump etc." What is a FMIC? Why would i need a new fuel pump?

FMIC = Front Mount InterCooler

As for trying to gain 200hp, it doesn't matter what you put on, hell putting some nos well along get you to 200hp, but doing it safely and consistently that's a different story, plus your engine will probably not survive a long term nitrous "treatment"

The best way to get power is forced induction and that's what msp have, but turbo produced a lot of heat that can cause problems, see other threads about this "design" issue.

And as far as exhaust is concern, I don't see any data as to why that should be upgraded first. I think since Callaway did the turbo design and Callaway is a reputed tuner that they would tune the turbo systemas best as they can with the constraint of govt regulations, economics, and performance. I think the first and best upgrade is a way to remove the excessive heat build up under the hood, so intake charge is cooler and the turbo compressor performs more efficiently.

Cold air intake is cheaper than an upgrade to the intercooler system, but it runs the risk of hydro lock and you can still get heat soak from the rest of the piping and IC.

FMIC upgrade is good, but expensive and the amount of piping can lead to increase in mid range turbo lag and pressure drop due to flow friction. That's why subaru uses under the hood IC to minize piping and pressure drop. but from what I'm seeing there's a couple of tuners like ion and spoolin that are working on a FMIC with minimal pressure loss that should be checked out.

i would advise against simply turning up the boost, since the engine has problem with heatsoak that turning up the boost would increase the heat even more, and the engine would run the risk of detonation. There's a work around, by upgrading your fuel to higher octane, but then you might need a more powerful spark plug to ignite the charge and it costs more.

I dont' think you need a fuel management just by itself without other tuning. The available fuel manager can reduce the hesistation problem and increase power gain, but i wouldn't do it personally, cuz I think Callaway tuned the fuel map for a reason and I wouldn't go against an engineer specializing in turbo against my own knowledge. This is of course refering to stock setup and just changing the fuel map thru an aftermarket fuel management device.

I'm not trying to tell you what to get, but rather just to show you the facts so you can decide. Good luck with your choice
 
is hydro lock when ur CAI sucks up water from a puddle?(or another water source) how can this be avoided (besides avoiding big puddles) it is fine to drive in the rain i assume..
 
There is a product my AEM, I believe its called a bypass valve. It is ment to take any water that you suck up your CAI and bypass it out its foam sides so that you do not damage your engine.

Matt
 
MoJoeTCM said:
I see that you guys are installing all these turbo timers and stuff, but i want some major hp gains without buying another turbo....what can i install!? I want more than 200 hp, i am willing to pay the price! Can you give me some brand names stuff to go with? I only know about lighting and speakers but i am dumb when it comes to engines!:confused:

try a super charger. ;)
 
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