Talk me out of it!?

christiansMSP

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2003 MSP
Thinking about selling my msp in a couple months and getting a MS3

Yes, No?

Downsides, Upsides?

How much do you think I could get for my Msp.?

Mods: Turboxs bov, Forge bpv, Custom fmic, Injen cai.

with 86,000 i think
 
you can get maybe 6 grand for the msp. these cars arent worth s*** anymore unfortunately
 
well......some guys have had problems with their motors blowing, bad motormounts that actually snap in half, and smoking turbos.
 
Let's call a Spade a spade!!
Your thinking about selling because you got ****** after buying an MSP with a stock regular protege suspension, and who knows what else!!!
And have been considering popping 18" wheels on 17" tires...LOL
Enough giving you s***.
Truth is I think the MSP is like a Harey always requiring work. The owner has to be willing to get dirty and actually know what he's/she's doing to truly enjoy the car. There is always a bolt to tighten squeak to grease, bulb to change. As far as moving into another car. Audi, Subi, and mitsu are the way to go as far as fun with power for the money.
 
zuku... i do know quite alot about the engine...

not susp..

lol but no.. i love working on my car.. it just sucks cause i don't have alot of money for the parts i need. i guess i just have to be patient..

thanks fot the help brother..!

you work for the fd?
 
i went from MSP to MS3. can't say one is definitely better than the other... just different. i think of the MSP as more of a ninja and the MS3 as more of a heavy weight boxer. MSP handles better but MS3 has more power. MS3 is definitely newer/nicer and has more amenities. hello, cruise control! and, interestingly, my insurance is cheaper on a brand new '09 MS3 than on my '03 MSP. stock rear motor mount is not great on the MS3 but easy to replace. only other thing i really didn't like was the stock suspension, first thing i bought was coilovers. both cars are very fun to drive, just a matter of taste and if you want something newer.
 
yeah thats what i was going for something nicer and newer but still has power...

how much boost are you running? and what mods?
 
yeah thats what i was going for something nicer and newer but still has power...

how much boost are you running? and what mods?

i'm on stock boost which i believe spikes around 15psi. only "power" mods i have are SRI, turbo inlet pipe, rear MM, and a test pipe that's about to go in. i highly recommend the SRI/TIP combo, but honestly this car has plenty of power for a DD.
 
oh i wasnt baggin on the ms3 i just meant that thats what ive heard from some owners.
 
My good friend and neighbor has a MS3 and has quiet a bit of mods. I loved driving his car. I always said I enjoyed driving his car because it felt like more refined power. where as my car has more of the race car raw beast feel.
I like the raw feeling!!! It's me more intouch with the road and car itself. When your pushing the MSP you know it. When your pushing the MS3 sometimes you don't!!!

Christian. No I don't work for FD (which I'm assuming you mean Fire Dept)
I'm actually an ER Nurse
 
this one's interesting.

I sold my MSP (with roughly the same mileage) for about $6k a couple years ago and got an MS3. While I wouldn't go as far as saying I regret it, part of me definitely feels I would have been better sticking with the MSP. Here's why.

Cost: Aside from the LSD, I had all of the usual suspects replaced (timing belt, clutch, etc) so, even though it was up there in mileage, I wasn't overly concerned about high repair bills suddenly showing up. Looking back, if I had kept it, I would have been proactive and had the LSD replaced. In the end, I would have been out about a grand but, since I didn't owe any money on it (I'm presuming you don't owe any on yours either) the true cost of ownership would have been nothing compared to buying a new car. Fast forward a couple years and, while I love the MS3, I'm knee deep in payments while the mileage is racking up even faster than with my MSP. At the rate I'm going, I doubt I'll get to the 80k mileage range totally paid off like I had with my MSP. That sort of tells me it wasn't the best financial move.

Handling: It's been mentioned before but needs to be mentioned again. Some may assume the MS3 handles better than the MSP but it's just not the case. Obviously they're 2 completely different cars. The fact that the MSP weighs less and (in stock form) is lower may actually lend to the perception that it handles better. I don't know... and I don't care. Perception's everything and, even with the swawbars and everything else I've done to my MS3, the MSP definitely still felt more like a go kart while the MS3 feels more like a... big car with a big engine.

Interior: This may actually surprise some but I actually think the MSPs interior is slightly better in the quality dept. I know I know... call me crazy. It's not that the MS3s is bad. Looks and layout wise it's great... though that sort of thing is subjective. I just feel the quality of materials is slightly down. Like the plastic is half as thick or something. Hard to describe... let's just say I didn't hear nearly as many rattles with my MSP. Everything just seemed to be tighter.

Hatch practicality? For me, this is over-rated. I'm the kind of guy that practically details his car every week. I want my car to be in like-new condition as much as possible so I go out of my way to keep it clean inside and out. that means, if I have to haul something, I'm probably not going to throw the seats down and load up my ride... instead, I'll just use my wife's element. So for me, the whole hatch thing really isn't much of a benefit. You may be different but, if you don't think you'll be hauling anything more than ass, you might want to factor this in as well. All things being equal, I'm more of a sedan guy. I purposely don't keep much back there since it's sort of a PITA (compared to simply opening a trunk) to raise the entire hatch up... especially if all you're looking to do is grab something quick. idk It's like the different between opening a screen door and opening a fireproof, steel 'you're not breaking into my house mofo' door.

So there's my take on it. If the MSP fits you (meaning you're on the young side and the whole fast & furious look doesn't affect your job/lifestyle) I'd definitely urge you to consider sticking with it. The performance difference, despite what you read in reviews and see on spec sheets, isn't really THAT big a difference. Sure, the MS3 is fast but it's not Lamborgini fast. When I bought my MSP, one of the reviews that helped push me over the edge stated that it FELT faster than a WRX... even though on paper it wasn't. So true. Maybe it's for this reason I don't notice as big of a difference as there really is. Of course, I'm not racing punks (which, in turn would make me a punk as well) so I don't have that as a reference point.

Anyway... good luck. Even though there's no looking back... in the end, it's just a car so... yeah, not the end of the world if you end up with a slight case of buyer's remorse like me. Definitely can't go wrong either way.
 
I drive an Infiniti G35 Coupe now .. and part of me still wishes I had gotten my MSP back after the accident.

That should say something.
 
Wow thank you. Buyers remorse, just alittle bit lol. I love my msp, but idk its scary to think how fragile these engines are. When I bought the car there was no fmic, no smic either. No bpv or bov either! The msp is an awesome car but the money for a forged engine, is just alot and out of the question! I could hopefully maybe sell her for 7k down here in Florida.. And then buy a better quality car. The previous owner defiently hacked this car up... Before I bought this car I was litteraly obsessed with it, I had to have it. Now looking back I wish I could have just saved more money and bought something different. Well I can't say I mean that... But I do wish I could have waited for maybe a better msp to come along. Because this one doesn't have any racing bear sway bars, reg protege susp, he'll when I bought the car I went digging around and found like a one hit pipe! And a lighter.. Bought it down in Miami so that should tell you something.. I just want a car that has power and is quick and nice. Something for the girlfriend, cause she hates the msp, I wish she didn't but it's hard pleaseing two pretty girls that you're in love with! I don't want to say and feel in y head.. "man Christian do you think you can make it an hour up north in your car"? Lol I don't give me some more input guys..
 
Well if you have no turbo dont worry about it blowing... because it wont anytime soon (AHHAHA) But a MSP compared to a Protege ES is 100% different IMHO, The MSP i am going to keep for my whole life it looks like. Im Currently building it, and hopefully going to be buying another car soon for a daily driver so i dont need to worry about driving in the snow with 250+ HP D: hahahaha
 
i just bit the bullet and got a forged motor. you can do it for relatively cheap man. i spent over 5k between engine and trans but you can keep it to around 2500
 

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