Best FMIC kit ?????

[sil-15]

Ok, I have been looking around and I was just wondering who makes the best FMIC kit for our cars? How much power will I gain with a fmic kit?

 

[funnylittlman]

The "best" one is the one that is custom made for your vehicle

 

[beans]

Hey to keep this thread going...For those with the Spearco FMIC, did you have them custom built or do they have a design that will work with the speed? Also for those with a FMIC are you replacing the radiator. I know ION brought that up earlier.

 

[jred321]

The "best" one is the one that is custom made for your vehicle

(stupid)
you dont so much gain horsepower with an fmic setup as gain the ability to make more power safely. you will gain some but on a stock setup you aren't outflowing your existing intercooler, so power gains won't be much.

 

[Cirielle]

Spool will be coming out with one soon. It is tailor-made to the MSP! As soon as I get more info and the okay from them I will post everything about it!

 

[TX Speed Demon]

(stupid)
you dont so much gain horsepower with an fmic setup as gain the ability to make more power safely. you will gain some but on a stock setup you aren't outflowing your existing intercooler, so power gains won't be much.

I read the full thread about the ION FMIC yesterday and saw the dyno charts posted there. The before and after slips running at I think 9 PSI showed they got a 20 HP gain using the stock airbox (K&N filter) and downpipe. That's a pretty good gain and allows you to safely run higher boost levels for even more performance.

And lets face it, power gains aside a FMIC is the one of the coolest looking mods you can make.

 

[jred321]

I read the full thread about the ION FMIC yesterday and saw the dyno charts posted there. The before and after slips running at I think 9 PSI showed they got a 20 HP gain using the stock airbox (K&N filter) and downpipe. That's a pretty good gain and allows you to safely run higher boost levels for even more performance.

And lets face it, power gains aside a FMIC is the one of the coolest looking mods you can make.

true, but since when is 9psi stock? and this mod is really more to keep your engine from blowing up when making more power than to make power itself, some power will be gained but the real advantages are not blowing up the motor when running more power through it.

 

[funnylittlman]

(stupid)
you dont so much gain horsepower with an fmic setup as gain the ability to make more power safely. you will gain some but on a stock setup you aren't outflowing your existing intercooler, so power gains won't be much.

You callin me stupid jred? :mad: hehe j/k

ION stated that there was a 2 psi pressure loss through thier FMIC, so maybe that's why they upped the boost to 9

 

[jred321]

yep, the bigger the intercooler and piping the more the pressure loss. 2 psi loss isn't bad though

 

[funnylittlman]

Studying the layout of our turbo in conjunction with our engine block and pulley assembly, I was wondering how ION and other MFG's are getting the inlet piping to the FMIC to go beyod those pulleys w/o rubbing and numerous bends.

ION had some great top pics of it, but I would like to see how it goes from the passenger side fender and from the under side.

 

[505zoom]

The production ION kit has less than 1psi drop. At one point in that thread, they did mention <2psi drop, but that was if they made the pipe from the IC -> TB require no cutting to install.

 

[CRDMS1]

I hope I can clear up some confusion here. The ~20whp gain was at STOCK boost levels with only a K&N panel in the stock airbox. Less chance of dyno monkey-business too as the runs were made under the same conditions in a controlled environment with the same setup. Higher gains were reported at 9psi for information but that is irrelevant when comparing the before/after dynos. The 2 psi pressure drop is reasonable and measured across the entire system, not just the core. The results speak for themselves.

better FMIC = cooler charge = hp gain (and greater resistance to heatsoak)

I am purchasing my FMIC/piping kit from iON because they consistently and quickly respond to questions with solid answers. In addition, they seem to promote a balance between theory and real world experience which I agree with.

Good reading here:
iON FMIC link

Peace...(hippy)

 

[TX Speed Demon]

Yeah 9 spi is not stock, but would you not get relativly the same power gains at 7 psi? I'm not too knowledgable on turbos, but assumed that since both ION runs were at 9 psi before and after the FMIC install, than similar power gains would occur on a MSP running only 7 psi. Maybe you wouldn't get the same actuall hsp # increase, but the percentages should match up right?

 

[boostisgood]

Yeah 9 spi is not stock, but would you not get relativly the same power gains at 7 psi? I'm not too knowledgable on turbos, but assumed that since both ION runs were at 9 psi before and after the FMIC install, than similar power gains would occur on a MSP running only 7 psi. Maybe you wouldn't get the same actuall hsp # increase, but the percentages should match up right?

The basline before and after install of IONS FMIC WAS with stock boost. they later installed an EBC and upped the boost to 9 psi.

 

[TX Speed Demon]

Hey CRDMS1:

You going to do the install yourself? I live in Dallas (off Greenville and Penrose) and would love to come over and help/watch/learn once you're ready.

You should also come out to our Monday night meets. We've had 3 Orange MSPs and no black ones.

 

[jred321]

I hope I can clear up some confusion here. The ~20whp gain was at STOCK boost levels with only a K&N panel in the stock airbox. Less chance of dyno monkey-business too as the runs were made under the same conditions in a controlled environment with the same setup. Higher gains were reported at 9psi for information but that is irrelevant when comparing the before/after dynos. The 2 psi pressure drop is reasonable and measured across the entire system, not just the core. The results speak for themselves.

better FMIC = cooler charge = hp gain (and greater resistance to heatsoak)

I am purchasing my FMIC/piping kit from iON because they consistently and quickly respond to questions with solid answers. In addition, they seem to promote a balance between theory and real world experience which I agree with.

Good reading here:
iON FMIC link

Peace...(hippy)

cool, but $900 for 20hp isn't exactly a good deal, it's the resistance to heatsoak that makes an fmic worth while. and as i was typing the other thing about not making much horsepower, i was thinking that it would cool the air down more but there would also be a pressure drop, so they would kinda cancel eachother out, i just wasn't exactly sure if that was right but it made sense to me.

 

[funnylittlman]

jred,

you should see the pics of ION FMIC vs. the stocky MSP.

WOWZERS

 

[CRDMS1]

Hey CRDMS1:

You going to do the install yourself? I live in Dallas (off Greenville and Penrose) and would love to come over and help/watch/learn once you're ready.

You should also come out to our Monday night meets. We've had 3 Orange MSPs and no black ones.

I will do the install, and where I do it depends on my estimate of the time/tools required. Ideally, I'd like to do the entire install in a day at the dream garage of my good friend and co-worker...4-bay garage and attached shop filled with every tool you can imagine...handles everything from oil changes to full engine swaps. If that won't work, I'll do it in my pissant garage :mad:

I'll PM you when I get it and figure out what I'm going to do.

Weeknights are problematic for me but I'm down for the monthly Saturday meet in Grapevine once it gets established.

Peace...(hippy)

 

[jred321]

jred,

you should see the pics of ION FMIC vs. the stocky MSP.

WOWZERS

i bet, the stock one looks really skinny. how come though on their comparison dyno runs the boost is higher on the run after the fmic was installed? did they adjust a boost controller to keep it at the same level or is it just because of where the gauge reads from?

 

[funnylittlman]

That is a question better answered by ION..

But after the stock run, like CRDMS1 stated, they installed a EBC (but the gauge shoulda been in the same spot)