Why so many used MZSPD3s?

not sure how I feel about paying a car off sooner than scheduled. On one hand, it feels good to know you don't have a payment to worry about. On the other hand, if you're a savvy investor, that money might have been better off invested. It's a tough call though...

I get into this debate with people about their house all the time. To me, this is a no-brainer. Sure, not having a mortgage payment is a nice feeling. But earning 10-15+% on the money you could have used to pay off your house... yeah, that's a little better. Plus, by paying off your house... you no longer are able to take advantage of the tax break. But I digress...
 
The tax break you get for home ownership dwindles over time.
The tax break for home ownership is just you getting back a small portion of the interest you've already paid out. You aren't making money, you're just getting screwed with a bit more lube vs. dry. :)

I am making over payments on my car. I am doing that because at this point in time, I can with little impact on my finances. I could have paid cash for it. I elected not to. My interest rate is very low and if something were to happen to either of us employment wise, I'd rather have 25k for fall back on if we needed too than me trying to sell my car for quick liquidation. (where I'd lose money anyway)

Luckily, my wife and I are relatively safe job wise, but I try to forecast for the 5 years my note is. s*** can and does happen. I want to be on solid ground if and when it does.
 
Clearly, as times goes by and your principal drops, the tax advantage (being able to deduct the interest paid) will lessen. The bottom line is (when compared to an apt for example) it's nice to be able to deduct that amount... For most home owners, it's the largest deduction they'll take each year so it is significant. One of the secrets of the rich... pay as little tax as possible.

As far as the "little impact on your finances" goes... That's not necessarily true.

To keep things as simple as possible, let's say you go out and buy a brand new MS3 and it costs $25k. Maybe you have $25k in the bank so the thought of just buying it outright comes to mind. Granted, you'd then be left with 0 but at least you wouldn't have a payment to worry about.

Buying it outright might offer the most peace of mind... but that's purely emotional and, as we all know, sometimes the higher our emotions get the further away logic seems to be. By throwing all $25k into a car, you're no longer able to invest that $25k. If you're savvy enough, you should be able to (by utilizing the many tricks of the trade, including diversification) gain a solid 10% over the next 5 years. This would net you roughly $16k in profit thus increasing your funds to $41k As most should know by now, the more you have the more you can make. Sort of like the whole rich get richer thing.

Now if you elect to instead pay for the car all at once... You obviously won't be able to invest that money and make yourself 10%. Instead, you'll essentially be saving the money you would have paid in interest.

Assuming a 5 year loan at 8% (not unheard of these days) you're paying roughly $5k towards interest.

By financing the car (even though you could afford it outright) and making wise investments, (in this example) you're able to net $11k. Lose $5k on interest but make $16k on your investments.

For most, they either don't realize this... or feel it's too risky. Perhaps it's simply not even worth it! This is why I said it's up for debate.

The numbers (if you did this sort of thing for your house however) would blow you away. Talk about a no-brainer! That's why most wealthy people carry mortgages (even though they could easily pay them off.) They know their money is better off invested.
 
I felt it was too risky quite simply. I have watched numerous people (who I view as intelligent) invest their money over the last 5 years only to make 4-5% or less! (Amounts varied from 5K to over 150K) The market has been bad recently and if you chose the wrong investments, you would be screwed right now. Just check out any large or small cap funds. Go back to just 2000 / 2001... It was just horrible for the S&P and just about everything else.

Considering you don't even get the modest tax decuction with a car loan, I feel that unless you are getting 5% or less, it is better to pay it off quickly if not entirely as soon as you can. You can always take that money you would have been sending in as a car payment and investing that. At least if the market goes South, you don't have to worry about making your car payment.
 
Chico--

That's without taking taxes out...that takes a chunk of that 10%. Plus the risk factor. Risk cannot be taken out of the equation, as it is in all (or most) financial calculations.

For me, risk is a huge component. As evidenced by this discussion, it looks to me like it should be more of a factor to more people.

Daniel
 
I've been reading all this, and it just reminds me one simple thing...

To hurry up and get to law school so I can become rich enough that I'll pay someone else to handle my finances.
 
The main reason for our area DC, MD and NoVA is because of a lot of 16 year old kids that get them as their first car. After awhile, they can't make the payments so the parents tell them to sell it.

Same thing happens with the Evos and STIs.

A lot of rich parents just buy whatever their rich kid wants. Like Swamp said, this is not a Honda Civic with a $120 monthly payment car.


And no, I don't have anything against 16 year old owning an MS3 nor do I have something against rich people.

Where can you get a Civic with a $120 payment? I'd buy one of those. Unless the terms are like 600 months. Pay it off by 2058!
 
I think he meant it in ref to an inexpensive used car that would get you from point A to point B for a minimal cash expenditure.
 
And as far as investments go, my savings is independent of that. I have investments as well. Capital gains is a b****!
 
If you're savvy enough, you should be able to (by utilizing the many tricks of the trade, including diversification) gain a solid 10% over the next 5 years.

If you are so savy as to guarantee a 10% return on your investments, I doubt you're driving a Mazda (unless you are just starting out). And if that's the case, I'm sure you will realize in the years to come, nothing is guaranteed in the realm of financials.
 
Using Autotrader.com, I see 50 MS3s listed in the whole country. 1% doesn't seem like many to me. BTW, the prices listed were damned near new retail!
If that is the trend, I would say the MS3 resale price is fantastic. If, as I and others suspect, 2008 is the last year for the MS3, we are sitting on a gold mine!
 
i think there will be a 2009 for the reason they are making 2008.5 which has upgraded interior and new/ other colors. and the speed 3 sold pretty well and now we are starting to have more commpitition in the hot hatch market. but that is what i speculate
 

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