who wants a CDFP upgrade?

[Flogbox]

Loosh - Fair enough if you don't want to dyno. Just wondering have you upgraded the rods in your engine yet? If not, just be careful as surely you are in a danger zone right now?

what i am against is rumormongering and misinformation. any insinuation that i'm against having dynos or information out there regardless of the result is flat out wrong. i've been borderline accused of things like that in this thread and making cheap chinese manifolds in another, both claims being totally meritless and its a tad irritating. i don't know what i've done to arouse any level of mistrust from anyone in this community. the offer was and is on the table for me to help foot the bill for proving or disproving mods we're involved with or been involved with. i don't know of many other vendors who are going to send money to a customer a few hundred miles away with no promise of positive results, for the sake of community interest.

Seeing as you brought it up. The sales and massive 'hype' about this pump have all been based around 1 car. Of which no one has been able to replicate the results. However the pump is continued to be sold under the pretense this is the results the pump will give. I'd be interested in hearing your definition of 'rumormongering and misinformation'?

If someone is going to sell a product, i would imagine the first thing they would do is have hard data to support the product. So far i think i've made maybe 5 posts in 2 threads about the pump and managed to upset all of the pump supporters. All i have done is read you back the data and evidence to date.

The corrective action to be taken would be to state clearly what this pump is supposed to do. That way no one can be confused and no one can second guess the claims, agreed? (wink)

 

[laloosh]

yes, why? I'm the one you were talking to when we thought your fuel pump got lost from UPS



atleast your getting an Xede.

i just found it funny how mrlilguy asked you to buy his parts being that you work at a performance shop and im sure you guys have your share of "hook ups"

i havnt upgraded the rods or anything for that matter.....yet anyway. if it blows it blows, the car has 4 parts on it running stock boost, i could bring it back to stock minus the tbe in an hour

 

[mrlilguy157]

Loosh - Fair enough if you don't want to dyno. Just wondering have you upgraded the rods in your engine yet? If not, just be careful as surely you are in a danger zone right now?



Seeing as you brought it up. The sales and massive 'hype' about this pump have all been based around 1 car. Of which no one has been able to replicate the results. However the pump is continued to be sold under the pretense this is the results the pump will give. I'd be interested in hearing your definition of 'rumormongering and misinformation'?

If someone is going to sell a product, i would imagine the first thing they would do is have hard data to support the product. So far i think i've made maybe 5 posts in 2 threads about the pump and managed to upset all of the pump supporters. All i have done is read you back the data and evidence to date.

The corrective action to be taken would be to state clearly what this pump is supposed to do. That way no one can be confused and no one can second guess the claims, agreed? (wink)

as this has been stated before in other threads: the pumps primary purpose is to flow more fuel at the adequate pressure levels required in order to stay out of fuel cut, which also allows for more fuel to be available as modifications are added to the car.

and zach, I was sold on the xede before I bought the car (it was the only option) and as seen, it has put down the best numbers to date. Also, you guys up in IL know the unit very well, and will be doing my tuning when I drive up to meet you guys in the summer, if not significantly earlier, depending how all of this goes.

 

[ericrapp]

Nice ending captain!

 

[Captain KRM P5]

Seeing as you brought it up. The sales and massive 'hype' about this pump have all been based around 1 car. Of which no one has been able to replicate the results. However the pump is continued to be sold under the pretense this is the results the pump will give. I'd be interested in hearing your definition of 'rumormongering and misinformation'?

If someone is going to sell a product, i would imagine the first thing they would do is have hard data to support the product. So far i think i've made maybe 5 posts in 2 threads about the pump and managed to upset all of the pump supporters. All i have done is read you back the data and evidence to date.

The corrective action to be taken would be to state clearly what this pump is supposed to do. That way no one can be confused and no one can second guess the claims, agreed? (wink)

1. there was more than one car that feedback was taken from, on and off the forums, before we even started to retail the pump. i have stated this numerous times. laloosh provided not only his times but standback data logs to reflect his improvements. i have never put these graphs on my website, i have never posted in the controversial thread on mazda 3 forums, i don't believe i have personally promoted the pump using his results other than saying i was impressed with them. on the flip side, i have never attacked results posted by dadasracecar nor disagreed with him.

2. i've also said since the pump drama began that every pump or part would stand on its own based on the data and results, regardless of what they were, in the pumps favor or otherwise. i think i've said this enough in private messages, emails, posts and voicemails to where it should be cut and pasted to my clipboard, etc.

3. i've personally put my neck out to apologize for pump failures, i've admitted where mistakes were made, acknowledged them publically rather than conceal them, turned them over - along with the responsbility of them - to other parties, in part because of threads like this. if you classify that level of openness as a misinformation campaign then i suppose that is your opinion and position. i am now the retailer/reseller and nothing more. if there is any information, correct or otherwise, honest or not, to be presented i will not be the party responsible for it. assuming and stating that i am is at best rumormongering and at worst lying. what i will do, and to be a broken record once more, is offer to assist in seeing proper information displayed to the public in the manner that they think will give them the best insight. if that means paying for dyno runs, i will do that. if laloosh does not want to do it, he should not be crucified for it. i have said we have another party willing to dyno. if the dynos came back the same, i would say so. if the pump caused a power loss, i would say so. if the pump blew the engine on the dyno, i would say so.

interpret all of that as you like.

 

[Flogbox]

I didnt actually point at you for the rumourmongering and lying (your words, not mine). An interesting choice of words to. The perspective you put on them sounded likesay the hype thats put on here by the many posters with/without pumps perhaps?

I agree that you have been impartial throughout the process and I also have taken note that you have been quiet regarding the pumps. So I have to ask, what made you suddenly leap from the shadows and use words like rumourmongering, lying and misinformation which are clearly aimed at myself? All I did was state back the information/results people have digested on this boardvery simple, very easy questions.....so what does that tell you about the things people have been saying on here? You seemed perfectly happy to sit silent whilst other people made this into the savior of all mods, yet when I ask a few very simple questions that question the results. rumourmongering, lying, misinformation. What did i say to insult you? I assure you i had no intention of doing so.

As for crucifying Loosh who was doing that? He feels a fuel cut on the dyno is more risky than hammering the car with over 400hp from the engine with stock internals. Fair enough, its his car and he has every right to do whatever he wants

I am more than happy to wait for other people's dyno's this week to see the replicated results (2thumbs)

Palerider I sincerely wish you the best with your testing this week. I have all my fingers and toes crossed your car can produce the results we are all dying to see (2thumbs)

 

[Captain KRM P5]

What did i say to insult you? I assure you i had no intention of doing so.

As for crucifying Loosh who was doing that?

i don't mean to come across at you personally, don't take it that way at all. its more a combination of things said by many people across many mediums. consider it partly me venting my own frustrations on matters. so, nothing personal intended at all.

i'm sure laloosh will be happy to tell you how he feels he has been attacked on this or any other forums. semi-lol there

 

[Flogbox]

Well i apologise if I insulted you in any way.

This is an important step for everyone and emotions run high because a lot is counting on this pump. To top it off you US guys are having a lot of dramas with the car. I understand that must add an extreme amount of frustration. I know of the countless hours your shop has put into these cars to help find a fix, especially with that guys MS6. Its hard work, expensive work and most often thankless work.

 

[laloosh]

for the last time. Theres a difference btwn hitting fuel cut and running out of fuel....read before u comment.

 

[palerider]

I think its a little funny where this thread is going.

We all agree that the car runs out of fuel/ fuel cuts... on the stock map with at most four mods..... maybe less.

intake, ic, tbe, boost

For all the guys who arent going to take it past an intake, in the summer time, then maybe the cdfp is all hype. But for all the guys that do, then this mod is the next step. Even more than engine management.

Its just stupid to argue whether this thing is hype or not. The VERY first thing the caliber guys did is increase fuel capability. ALL the VW manufacturers list the cdfp as a way to add 30hp to a stage 2 VW. Laloosh, Driver, Mrlilguy, and myself noticed improvements.... at the track, seat of the pants, and general performance of the car. Even over on the VW boards this same discussion is going on. People arent just making this s*** up.

If anything.... the only thing that points against the pump is Mrlilguys very strange dyno runs. Low and all over the place really..... I had a hard time gauging gains on damn near anything he added or subtracted. If we were to use his recent dynos as advertisement....I might not even want mod my car. Damn go look at em.... an iced intercooler gave the best damn gains of the day. Better than boost, sri, rp, fp, you name it. Fucken go ice.

I can understand Dadas concern. His dyno on a completely different car/ecu didnt really give him much. Thats legit. But even he states the obvious... that its eventually going to be needed anyway.

Plus now we have guys maybe blowing the first couple engines with the lean spots on WOT runs. Jesus.... theres no hype here. Everybody who is modding a DISI engine knows you have to upgrade the damn thing. EVERYBODY. Why else are 4 VW manufacturers, and at least 3 ms3 manufacturers promoting it.

Its a mandatory mod... possibly the single most important one after intake/rp.

 

[Sierra117]

The fuel pump is to our cars as the turbo back/radiator/cooling mods is to the FD3.

 

[Captain KRM P5]

The fuel pump is to our cars as the turbo back/radiator/cooling mods is to the FD3.

i don't know if i would go quite that far. those cars were time bombs without those modifications, lol. not so much with the ms3.

 

[Grim~]

i am a firm believer that this pump works,all i need is the money to buy it

 

[AutoXRacer]

I'd be willing to dyno pre and post fuel pump mod...but I have never experienced fuel cut/run out of fuel/nor boost cut since the temps out here in Florida are quite warm and the car no longer spins wheels on 2nd...temps have to be below 80 roughly in order to spin. I don't think this mod will affectively help me make more power.

All this talk about fuel cut, running out of fuel, etc will go away once the weather starts warming up I believe...

 

[shucky]

Pale, you ever re-install your pump? Where is lilguy's website, cant find it?

 

[nypest]

here

 

[palerider]

Pale, you ever re-install your pump? Where is lilguy's website, cant find it?

Ive got it....

My tuners been out of town until tonight. Install and dynos this week if all goes as planned.

Trust me Im tired of this s*** I just want it on already... but I almost feel like I owe it to the community to find out how the hell it does for me.

 

[ericrapp]

Gentlemen, from someone who might know next to nothing, Doesn't every one datalog the a/f ratio to tune the car? If you are running out of fuel at say high RPMs, wouldn't the car report a lean trend? Sorry for naive question. just wondering

 

[mrlilguy157]

not in the top end, in the midrange.

http://www.mrlilguycdfps.com/Site/Media_files/ProjectedHPFlowChart.gif

 

[palerider]

not in the top end, in the midrange.

http://www.mrlilguycdfps.com/Site/Media_files/ProjectedHPFlowChart.gif

Thats based off APR and autotechs own info right?