I'd have to agree and disagree with the both of you. Its almost like a switch off, people drive sticks but then just get bored of their car and sometimes just choose to get an auto. Also, Hondas were amazing. Loved my civic it was stock. The stocker the better. I felt my old 98 civic took turns faster. Love my p5 wouldn't trade it back, thinking of keeping it n/a just up the compression and get an msp tranny with the lsd. Overall like top favorite car I've owned.